Reading New Moon: Chapter 4 (Waking Up)

I think the song you've chosen is great
but what could have worked better is the song "Suffocate" by J. Holiday

i'm a diehard edward fan and the book just isn't the same without him...but i can see how him leaving is important to the rest of the series! and i won't say anymore as to give it away :)

Yeah, I was kind of spoiled too. Before I even started the series, I heard that Jacob had something to do with the cover of Eclipse, so I kind of knew that Jacob would be important. I'm a Team Edward fan, so I'm not really uppose to answer. But I dont hate Jacob so I guess, I can answer. I think this probably is the main reason why Jacob lovers hate Edward. They hate how they left her and Jacob would never!

Wow...that was pretty mean Boce-whatever your name is! And did you ever think that by calling things gay and being derogatory, it offends gay people? I'm not gay but I have friends that are and that's kinda rude!

But anyway...nice post Kaleb!

its so gay that edward left bella!! i cried for like a long time..:( i was so flippin maddddd i was like seriously i did not even want to read on jacob is so gay and he needs to go fall off a freekin cliff and die!!!! THATS A COMMAND!!!! I HOPE HE READS THIS TO! i hate him and i hated him when he was on disney channel too......yea thats how gay he is he was on disney channel!! how gay i hate him!

I am definatedly team edward but I don't know something in me will never forget that he left her. Jacob is nice but in Eclipse he gets REALLY REALLY ANOYING! He's preaty bad in breaking dawn too. My favorite of all the books has to be Breaking Dawn, then Eclipse, Midnight Sun ( I've only read the few chapters that Stephanie posted on her Web Site) Twilight and then New moon.

I'm an Edward-lover, for the record...
Anyway, my favorite chapter in New Moon is Verdict... just thought I'd mention that so you know what to look forward to

The start of that chapter is my favorite part of the whole book! It's a very powerful passage.

oh yeah... its not one Physco person. Im arguing with my sister

gee... now u no its coming from the same computer that last one was Lily

wtf!!!! you little biotch!!!

Pfft...Are u sure ur name isnt Rosalie?

HI!!! i lika like love these books like omg lol these are the best!!! rotfl uh yeah
P.S. I'm like sooooooooo hot!!!

Jeff, you don't even have a younger brother so how would you know its like that? Grr... Power rangers has bad graphics. Do these books? No, of course not. Of course Jeff has a point. He knows more about the series than you do... probably.

Well i'd like to ignore Hope when she INCESINTLY TALKS ABOUT THE BOOKS AND WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT THEM!!! Come on, you can see my situation. Like when your little brother wont stop talking about his favorite power rangers episodes!!!

Ignore my brother Jeff. He doesn't even want to read the series so he doesn't know anything about it and is biased in his own never-read-twilight-saga way. IGNORE HIM! I like New Moon a lot. I'm a Jacob fan.

I think you're all just a bunch of freaky, obsessed girls who need to get a life and stop writing comments at 3 in the morning.

I hate spoilers. I did know about Jacob and everything about him before start reading Twilight hahaha... and I get spoiled at Wikipedia too with something I read about Eclipse, before start reading that book.

/:

I don't see how anyone can like Jacob. He is self centered, he only thinks about himself. Edward thinks about Bella and what she would like. Jake is too careless. Edward is protective, I like that about him. I love Edward Cullen!!! Edward and Bella will make a great pair.

Just remember that just because Edward and Bella exist for each other, that doesn't make Jacob a horrible person. So don't become a Jocob hater. And yes, in some ways he is better for her than Edward =D I'm not going to say anymore because this all has probably already been said in several of the past 239 comments, I'm just too lazy to read them all to find out where.

I like Edward and Bella together, but I think Jacob is way better for her. Yes Edward is amazing, and what girl wouldn't fall for him...but he's almost too perfect. And because of that Bella becomes obsessed with him. When people have faults we are reminded of reality and that it's not right to put all your hope and energy into something that can end. But with someone who literally is perfect, a person clings to them because he is the only perfect guy out there.

It's not healthy to be addicted to someone. Cause when that someone leaves, like Bella is experiencing, they take your whole self with them. You have nothing left. And if they don't leave you, you have still given your whole self to them and they hold power over you. Even if they don't abuse that power, it's not healthy.

My issues with Edward and bella's relationship lie in the effect, romantic and yet unhealthy, that Edward has over Bella.

I agree, here's the thing, people think were all crazy when we talk about the books all the time, but the thing is, when there's something we all secretly want, for someone to feel like there drowning when they're away from us, for us to want death then for them to move away, it's something we, all, secretly or not, want. So when a book comes along and gives us this hope, what choice do we have but to pore into it with ar hearts and souls. That is are biggest hope, and losing that is are biggest fear, to be wanted is not enough us as humans crave more, crave something deeper then we can even imagine, and in a sense by giving us this book she gave us what little part of that most of us will get

I remember how depressing reading this book was for me. :( It seemed so gloomy (for lack of a better word) without Edward. It is very important to the story, though, so keep reading! I'm looking forward to your responses! :)

*Jacob-lover*

YES I AM.

I'll try not to spoil you so thoroughly -- a quick glance at your comments and I already see people plugging in quotes from Eclipse -- but in my opinion, Bella's love for Edward is so huge that it completely overwhelms who SHE IS. Which is not a good thing. Sure, it's good to love someone so much you're willing to die for them... but Bella so frequently LOOSES herself, and oftentimes loathes herself for being human, and normal. Edward loves her for who she is, and I can't stand it that she refuses to accept this, and love herself more.

With Jacob, she can be herself, and she can be normal, and she enjoys herself. It's natural. It's equal. It's fair. But it is also passionate and loving, but no one is continually putting themselves down. It's a much healthier reltionship, and in my opinion, if Bella would just TRY to think it over, she could be exceptionally happy with Jacob as a love interest.

Again, I'm a Jacob-lover, but I'm also a thorough Edward-lover. If ANYTHING, I'm a Bella-hater ^_~ But only sometimes. By all means, continue to ship E/B throughout -- it does have its good points. But keep an open mind to Jacob Black. Please don't hate him for being a desperate, normal kid in the face of someone as wise and nearly omnipotent as Eddiekins.

I think Bella is being given two futures with these men. Jacob is her sun. He woke her up. He knows things about her that no one else does.

Edward is her passion. He heart's desire. The one person she is drawn inextricably to.

She's given two futures. How do you choose? I believe this debate still rages. Your heart or your soul? What do you follow? Will the passion still burn after 1000 years? Can you forgo having kids? This is a tough, tough thing to go through. Can't wait for Breaking Dawn to see what happens.

Listen, all my fellow fans are entitled to their wonderful opinions, but don't let them sway yours. Please don't read with any bias, and certainly don't pay attention to those who scream:

SUPPORT EDWARD (OR JACOB)!!!!!

Please try to develop your opinion introspectively, because that's the only way the book will hold any truth in your life.

Now, for my aforementioned entitled opinion =)
I am on Team Bella. Supporting what SHE WANTS, and loving what SHE LOVES. It's that easy. It's the best (in my opinion) way to appreciate the books to their fullest, because you truly feel and sympathize with Bella's uncertainty, indecision, intense love, and whatever else she experiences. Also, you'll be able to read without being blinded by rage whenever a certain someone is in a scene. And I suggest, when you're done with New Moon, that you read Stephenie's thoughts in the FAQs on her website. They help to soothe the soul, no matter what you think on your own.
Happy reading, Kaleb!

I am pro-Jacob (which sounds so funny....almost like it's a political view or something) But anyways, the reason I think Jacob is better for Bella is because he lets her live her life. Like Edward, he wants to protect Bella, but unlike him, Jacob will let Bella do a few crazy and slightly dangerous stuff, but is still there to help out if she does, in fact, hurt herself.

Edward tries to force Bella to do stuff because he thinks it's safer and won't listen to Bella's opinion (even though it's her life and, in my opinion, it's up to her what's good for her or not). Jacob will give his opinion on any matter, but basically leaves it up to Bella to decide what she wants to do. THAT'S why I like Jacob better.

Miss Kelsea will now step off her soap box :)

Excellent post Sandra, well written and compelling ideas. :)

on a lighter note...

haha speaking of Edward's love being tested and Jacob probably imprinting in this next book...We already know that Tanya enters this book because of the breaking dawn quotes - I was just thinking how wacky it would be if Jacob imprinted with Tanya. >:D

Also, the song No Air by Jordin Sparks and Chris Brown just fits this book perfectly I feel. :)

Okay. Another first poster. Just a thought from an older been-around-the-romance-bush Twilight fan. Bella is not going to be completely happy with either Edward or Jacob, if she can't learn to be happy with herself. I dated "Edwards" and "Jacobs"..not like the guys in the books, but in similar relationships. I had a man who was my "soulmate" who left me and I mourned for years. I had best friends who I loved being with, but just couldn't bring myself to marry. I (eventually)married a sort-of Edward (that's really his name) who is not gorgeous but smart, funny, tall, lean, controlling, talented, yadayadayada, and usually considers himself more intelligent than I (I think he is finally coming around to the truth, however). After many years of marriage, it doesn't really matter..he is just the man I live with. If I had married my soulmate, he would have ended up just being the man I live with...if I had married my best friend, he would have ended up just being the man I live with.

What is my point? Bella needs to learn to take care of herself. She would have a different long-term relationship with Edward or Jacob, but she is still responsible for her own happiness. Neither of these fine young men can do that for her. Anyone who thinks he or she will be "made happy" by their companion is setting themselves up for sadness.

I say she leaves them both and goes on a Travel Study program in a third world country to get things into perspective.

This is, however, fiction. And in a fictional situation, I would have to admit I'd go for Edward. Being madly and totally absurdly in love is one of lives greatest highs. Bummer when you crash, however, and wish you had a Jacob around...

I am happy she had her time with Jacob just so she can appreciate even more, later on, what she has with Edward. Oh,oops,wrong story. How embarrassing! Edward never comes back. Sorry, what was I thinkin'? I'll pay better attention in the future! :)

I've always wanted to do this Edward/Jacob analysis and here's what I think: (It will contain spoilers, and it will be very long)

First and foremost I'm going to do this from a neutral point of view, which is the way that I have always read the books.

It's hard not to see Edward as the perfect guy in Twilight for all the reasons people have previously stated everywhere and that I'm not getting into here. I know some people hate the fact that he's supposedly "so perfect" but you really have to look into his character not because of what Bella says, but more for his attitude and what he says.

A line comes to mind- " I don't know how to be with you"-, which shows that this is Edward's first time having all these strong human feelings, and that these feelings are being drawn out by this girl.
I think the fact that he cannot read her mind, has brought him down to this human level as well, where he cannot know what she thinks unless it is through other people or herself. This is why dialogue is most of what makes the book. Edward has never felt compelled to sit down with someone and really getting to know them, since he could just peer into their mind and avoid any kind of real contact.
Perhaps Bella was meant to be the person to bring out that human part of him.

Edward has flaws, oh yes he does. He has all the usual flaws of a person who have just fallen for the first time and fallen hard. He is first drawn to Bella by her scent (physical attraction?), then she becomes this sort of challenge. He will not be driven away from where he wants to be just because he can't control himself around her.
I'm really curious to see the things he had the opportunity to think while being in Alaska. Edward over thinks EVERY single thing, he looks at every possible outcome and wants to have all bases covered(no pun intended), but as the story progresses he will realize he can't control everything, he can't control the outcome of every single decision made, like keeping Bella from trouble for example. I believe he finds out he is in love with her as days go by and he wants to find out everything about her, down to her favorite color... this is how people fall in love, by getting to know each other and day by day finding out they enjoy each others company ultimately leading to feel that they cannot be without each other. This feeling of belonging together, makes Edward think that this is it, this is the girl, this is the one. Suddenly it becomes really important for him to know if Bella feels the same, obviously because if she doesn't reciprocate this feeling he'd rather get away from her once and for all before putting her life in risk by pursuing a relationship and finding out if all this care and love will be enough to ultimately stop him from hurting her himself in any way.

I think deep inside he's very scared. You can tell he's scared because he's never felt this pull towards someone, this longing, this need to care for them in a different way that you would care for your family. Most of his overprotective decisions come from this fear I think... and as you all know (and most times overlook) he will realize it is a mistake to think that protecting Bella all the time will prevent him losing her (that's one of the reasons Jacob is very important).
I found out all this by usually ignoring what Bella had to say about his perfect physical being and really looking into Edward's feelings and motivation.
I can barely imagine how it would be for him after so many years of loneliness to open this floodgate of so many different human feelings. I think it is explained when he tells Bella about feeling jealousy for the first time, and also when he feels enraged at the thought of what the guys on the alley were going to do to Bella.
All these strong feelings at the same time would drive anyone almost insane... and they do. That's why you become part irrational when you fall in love :).
I'm actually surprised that he seems to keep a level head MOST of the time, when it doesn't, fear sinks in and he becomes overprotective Edward.

Do I believe they're meant for each other? well, why not?. They're two people discovering what it is to fall madly in love, and like any other relationship, they will need to be apart to realize if this is real love and not a 2 minute obsession tale. For this you need to look at all 3 books together and see that the relationship has gone from obsession to real longing to be with each other to getting to know yourself and putting back your feet in the ground to realize what you really want or who you really want to be with. If you're willing to leave everything behind to be with the one you truly love, or not give up all these things,try and love another at the cost of always longing for that lost love.
Which takes me to our friend Jacob.

Jacob is a very necessary and important character in these series. While Twilight was the book of falling head over heels, New Moon is the book of waking up from the fairy tale and smelling the coffee.
When Edward left I felt that only too familiar emptiness that happens when someone you love very much goes away. I felt for Bella, I felt the pain. I don't know if to justify the course of action Edward took once again to protect her, but I'm going to bring back scaredy Edward and try and understand he'd rather loose her as a lover than see her killed by his or his family's hand. I always keep in mind that Bella is not completely exempt from danger while being around Edward.

As Jacob comes into the picture you already know his feelings for Bella have been developing since Twilight. So far I can also chalk it up to pure physical attraction since they haven't talked that much to really get to know each other, and keeping in mind Bella DID flirt with him in the first book which probably gave him hope. (this for some reason still makes me giggle).

Then, they also get to spend a lot of time together and I see Jacob really trying to pull Bella out of her sadness, trying to be there for her and the chemistry between them feels so different, specially because Bella isn't really there a 100%. She's mourning, she's empty, she's getting a taste of what a life without Edward is. (If anyone has heard the song 3 Libras by A Perfect Circle, I think it fits perfectly here). Jacob perseveres and there are points in which it seems he has accepted that all he can be to Bella is a friend, a very good friend. I'm not fooled though. Jacob won't go down without a fight.
There's too much of that love for her in there to give up like that.

I agree with those who say Jacob is here to show Bella she has options. She has pros and cons to consider regarding both guys. Jacob is the catalyst to Edward and Bella's relationship, he's there to show her there's someone else she could consider falling for. There's obviously more than one reason why chapter 4 is called "Waking Up". Although I would probably had loved to see more of Bella and Edward in this book, I think it was very good to have them apart and have someone else come in the picture. All through the book I couldn't stop thinking of that phrase that goes: "If you love someone let them go, if they come back love them more, if they don't .. shoot them!" haha, well, all except the last part.

There's a couple of unsolved issues that raise up red flags all around when I think of the possible relationship between Bella and Jacob. One of them is the whole imprinting issue. As we all know Jacob has not imprinted, it has not happened yet. He loves Bella, he wants Bella more than anything in the whole world but this sounds a lot like Leah/Sam. It's kind of obvious actually.
Let's say Bella chooses Jacob, they're happy, they get engaged, married, whatever. What will happen to Bella when Jacob has to irrevocably break her heart because he has completely fallen for someone else?. Would Bella go the same way as Leah did and become a totally bitter person?.
Just for discussion sake, let's say going back to Edward is not an option anymore. We all know the world of pain and hurt he'd have to go through if Bella would decide to disappear from his life (you saw it and I saw it when they got back together in New Moon. Edward=curled up in a ball *hilarious-sad*).
This is something Jacob isn't thinking about because he's still hoping he'll imprint on her. I guess the answer to this will only be known in Breaking Dawn.

My other concern is that, a lot of people fail to realize that Bella is in danger by being around Jacob as much as she'd be around Edward (Yes, I understand that she quite disregards this).
We all know what happened to Emily, and Bella might not even be that lucky. I have seen Jacob's temper get scary close to exploding, and in the case he couldn't control himself for any reason..well, you know what happens.

I feel for Jacob. He's putting himself greatly at risk to be the "shoulder to cry on" guy, or "rebound" guy. I understand him because falling in love at that age, you don't seem to be able to look ahead and see that someone else will come for you. The world ends when a relationship ends, and that was the feeling I got when he started running away at the end of Eclipse. Running away from the pain.
(we know he'll be back though;) ).

What I think would be fair for Jacob is to be able to fall in love with someone who can reciprocate that love equally. Someone who can give all of herself to him, not half as Bella would(Remember? when she got reunited with Edward she felt whole again? like "the hole had never been there in the first place")
Jacob deserves an Emily (:p) and that sometimes takes me to theorize about Leah/Jacob, but nah..(there's too many "nos" around that one).

Do I believe they're meant for each other? again, why not?. Jacob is Bella's sun, although this depends on which Jacob he's being. Remember "my (Bella's) Jacob" is the kind, open Jacob, etc.. and the other Jacob is "werewolf Jacob" who keeps things from her and makes her feel not as comfortable.
Like other people have said, Bella wouldn't have to give anything up of her life (except, well, the love of her life, but it happens)and everything would be fine and dandy.
Again.. I am reminded of that imprinting situation and it makes me uneasy. How Bella would be destroyed by this.
The one thing I didn't like of Jacob was the whole "Love me or I'll kill myself" thing.
That was unnecessary altogether with the "I'd rather see you dead" line.
Those two things quite bothered me because if you love someone, you're willing to let them be happy with someone they really love rather than for them to suffer at your side, or long for someone else.
I know he feels bad about one of these things later, but it was one of the big stains in Jacob's "sun" personality.
It made me sad to see he can't be selfless, and that he's not willing to sacrifice himself for Bella's happiness.


All in all, and to conclude this very long post, I think the best choice for Bella is Mike because he's a normal human being...
Kidding * I can almost see the murderous expression of your faces*. ^_^
If this were the choice, I think you could hear books banging against the walls from here to China.

Umm.. it's hard. It's really up for Bella to decide, and as far as Eclipse goes she (as a more mature Bella who has options, and who has had to put her love for Edward to the test) has chosen Edward.
Edward has decided to let her go if that's her choice even to the point of having to stand an eternity without her (emphasis on "LET GO" because this shows us Edward has seen the possibility of Bella choosing Jacob).
Jacob running away, but that feeling remains within ourselves that he will be back. He still has some fight in him. He's not going down that easy

Let me remind you though that this ordeal is not over yet.
Just like Bella had to love another to find out that in the end she truly and unequivocally loves Edward as his equal and soul mate.. maybe we have yet to see Edward's love put to the test.. dun dun dun.
Maybe Jacob will imprint..

Breaking dawn is almost here, and then we'll see.

sorry for the length. I don't even think I said here half of the things I think about the books, but I had to get the Jacob/Edward debate out of my system.
It feels good ^_^.

Kaleb,

Jacob in New Moon is very important, but he changes as much as Bella does during this time and by the end of the book, we start seeing hints of the man he becomes in Eclipse, whom I do not like much, or at all. Jacob in New Moon reminds me very much of some of my best guy friends, and in New Moon, he cares very deeply about Bella and is a true friend to her. And while I understand why Jacob becomes the way he does towards her, I often find myself questioing Jacob 2.0 in Eclipse. When my twin brother heard about it, he agreed that Jacob might have a very skewed and childish perception of love, as it reminds him of how he was in high school but certainly not now.

So enjoy this Jacob, Bella's Jacob (you'll understand this reference soon enough), who loves Bella but knows that his love is not what she needs, but his friendship. Who cares for Bella and makes her laugh and smile and becomes her best friend, her confidant. Enjoy the guy who only wants Bella happy, and will make a sacrifice if need be. Because we lose that guy, as many guys take the evolutionary route that he will.

And yes, I am an Edward/Bella shipper and I know I will get some hate, which I welcome. For me, Edward's love for Bella, and vice-versa, is much more pure and passionate, and I think there is something to be said for that. Some might say this makes me silly and idealistic (and I assure you I am not) but the best loves are the ones where you are each other's air. They are the most passionate, the most fulfilling, and the one you will never forget or move on from. When that person is a drug and vice-versa, that's real, powerful love. And when they will put your happiness and safety above their own in a heartbeat? That's perfect love. If I saw Jacob doing that as the series progressed, my feelings would change. But the chapter in Eclipse when Bella and Jacob are in the woods after the tent scene and before the fight scene (being blase for Kaleb's sake, in case he gets down to this comment!) reminds me of a boy I dated once who started very sweet but became conniving and emotionally manipulative, and caring only about "winning Bella" like she is some prize. She is not, and I lose all and any respect for Jacob by the close of Eclipse, and go from Switzerland to England.

Okay, I should probably stop ranting and start actually earning my paychecks here. Enjoy and I cannot wait to read about the surprise tonight!

*the choice
sorry about that.

MasterChief, I agree with everyone of your posts one-hundred percent!
But I have to add to the list the
Switerland shippers: our objective is we think that Bella and Edward are ending up together regardless but we love Edward and Jake the same and if were faced with the choice would not be able to decide, but we agree that Jake is "healthier" but Edward is necessary for Bella's existance and therefore he choice. (Even if we love Jake more than life itself and are silently crying in the corner for him to have a happy ending with us!)

This is the first time I am commenting on a post but I have been reading your posts since you started Twilight.

New Moon was really sad in my opinion and I am a die-hard Edward fan. There is something about Jacob that ticks me off. I can't explain it.

I felt Bella's sadness the entire time I was reading New Moon.
Keep posting! :)

I tried to post this before but don't know oif it worked. sorry for duplicating. anyhoo, this is off topic, but...since you're now into New Moon, I decided to revisit the book myself. There's a sentence in ch5 "cheater"...page 127 I think...as soon as I read it, I immediately wondered "what kind of photoshop magic would Kaleb work with this????" I'd love to see! it gave me great mental pictures...gotta love SM and her imagery... you'll know it when u read the words "60 mile per hour..." :)

!!!! personally, im on team jacob... and i think hes better for her than him. she could have such a fulfilling life with him; kids, getting old together, and actual...family, with charlie and billy and the wolves..

Kaleb, once again an awesome post. To answer your question without truly spoiling the ending for you (like others have, ugh), I believe Jacob is better for her, yes. He is a healthy choice for her. There is a thing people say to justify this point:

Edward is a drug to Bella. When she's with him, she forgets everything else except for him. Jacob, on the other hand is a normal guy, not even close to a drug for her. He makes her happy (as you will see) and their future would be so bright. I know that too many people disagree with me, but here's the main question:

How many rational people would give away every life experience just to gain love and immortality when you can easily get love and so much more with mortality. This is what Bella is giving up, the human things that make our world so imperfectly perfect. Imperfection is key and Edward in some way totally understands that, since he is perfect and longs for that humanity again. Bella is too mesmerized by Edward though that she doesn't understand this key point.

But I guess I should stop this little comment because I could go on forever....XP

Great job on the post. Can't wait till you make it to Jacob Black's first scene!!!!!!!

A word to all the Edward/Bella shippers out there:


E/B shippers are so frightened by even the most minuscule bit of competition that they feel the need to keep pointing out how Jacob has already lost to Edward's perfection, and how Bella will never be with him.


J/B shippers, contrary to popular belief, know that Jacob has lost (SMeyer made that exhaustively clear). The only difference is that we don't give a shit. We still think that Jacob's the better choice: win, lose, or draw. And after the events in Breaking Dawn we'll still think that, regardless of who wins. We simply believe that Jacob's better, even when Edward gets the girl.


So you can continue to point out how this isn't even a debate anymore because you've won, but we'll be too busy to care.

To tell you the truth Kaleb, I never understood why everyone (or most people) hated Jacob. I personally really like him. Mind you, I'm on Team Edward. Sometimes though, I question myself why I'm on Team Edward (oh, there come the fangirls throwing rocks at me). I've heard opinions that state that Edward is like an empty, cold vessel, while Jacob if full of warmth. This makes me wonder why most people (myself included) are on Team Edward. Yes, he is amazingly perfect, but he's cold and empty. And I don't know about other people, but I like sunshine. That being said, I'm still on Team Edward. I don't know why though. I guess there's just something about him and Bella together that Jacob and Bella are lacking.

My hubby pointed out to me at about this chapter. Why did she run that way? Edward had to go back for his car, he parked in Charlies spot... There's a guy's thoughts on it. :)

I guess I'm going to put my two cents in. Jacob is a great friend, but needs to be taken care of in a way. He's immature. Even Bella describes herself as taking care of her immature mother, she cooks for her father who you can't figure out how he lived so long on only fish, and all of a sudden Jacob... He's too much like the people she's always taken care of. Edward on the other hand is the first person in her life that takes care of her. Yes, right now he's left her high and dry, but you don't forget the person that completes you, and understands you - even more than you understand yourself. There are many ways in which Edward is not Bella's equal, but they both understand what it is to take care of those around them, and those they love. This makes them equal; a perfect match. I hope people aren't irate about my comment, but I feel Jacob needs somebody who is more like him. More, naturally, inclined to be spontanious.

The next few chapters are going to be the hardest, but you'll make it through! Stephanie Meyer gave some very important advice when the book was first publish: Make sure you read New Moon twice! Why? because you get so hooked on Edward and Bella that you miss the importance of Jacob and Bella.

Aww.... I'm sorry. Can't really say anything yet... but I think you should wait until you finish the books to completely form your opinions...

Your stupid song choices had me crying. (it's okay.)

But Bella's situation is very complex in this book... I think it's the most complex of the three. Anyway. Stick through it!

(P.S. I agree about the four-month thing. I thought that and the (technically, it's the fourth chapter, even though it's only a paragraph) were somewhat... jarring. Just the concept of all that time passing.... Like I said, this is the most complex out of the three, and it only gets even more so from here.)

COME ON PEOPLE: Jacob lovers are all like, 'he never left, he stayed with her, brings her life and all that crap'.

But what happens at the end of Eclipse people?!?!?!?... he becomes a little cry baby when he doesn't get what he wants. He's immature, and takes advantage of Bella when she's at a really weak moment. She's confused about her feelings, and Jacob's constant babyness and whining doesn't help his case at all.... well for me at least.

JACOB HATERS UNITE!

... I'm gonna get alot of hate towards this post aren't I ...
I don't care either way. Some of you will agree, others will send the hate mail my way. But I stand by my thoughts.

Yes Edward has his flaws, and he'd be the first person to point them out to you. It's Jacob's cockiness and arrogance that really irritates me.

Face it people: Edward and Bella belong together. Team Jacob are fighting a losing battle... and have been since she first 'flirted' with him in Twilight.

I don't think anyone should say either way who is better at this point since Kaleb will never be able to decide until he read the entirety of this and the next book..


And also "I remember this Bella: sullen, quiet, just as she was before Edward."

Just as she was??? Are you kidding me, Kaleb? No, friend. She is NOT just as she was. It was like she gotten a taste of the most amazing food ever, and then was jerked away from it and forced to only eat dirt from now on. Edward irrevocably changed Bella's perception of the world in being so near to her. And so, his leaving and taking the evidence he ever existed with him did nothing but make things worse for her. That is the one thing Edward doesn't understand... that he can't ever leave Bella and think she'll be the same as if he never had met her. It's too late for that.

I feel very lame right now, because i'm used to being in the first 50 or 75 comments..... the 210s is just bad.
I'm also starting to wonder if you're even reading these comments, what with your editing and all.

But New Moon is actually kinda horrible in a way.... eh. I dont know. It's really sad, and you kinda just want to skip through the whole thing. But dont. please. Important things happen in the middle. Important to Eclipse, I mean. and yes, it involves Jacob.
Just dont cry.
Also, eat pringles.
:]

Corinne!

Kaylee,

I totally agree with your post (#187)- you really summed up my view on the whole J/B paradox, but far more eloquently than I. :)

Ryan,

I agree that there is too much debate going on here. Probably the reason for that is that the normal forums for this type of discussion are closed until Aug. 4th or something like that (to avoid Breaking Dawn spoilers).

Besides, I really doubt Kaleb has time to read all of this, as busy as he is right now. I'm just grateful that he is reading and commenting on the book...

I think that it is awesome that everyone has such varied opinions and ideas about the relationships in the books- makes the whole reading experience more interesting!

and wow, I guess I can't call myself a lurker anymore. :P

i'm a team edward member all the way. he is bella's true soul mate. i don't hate jacob as much as i use too, but he is not bella's soul mate. if she did happen to choose jacob over edward *gasp*, i'm afraid that jacob would find his truer soul mate if u know what i mean. also edward has had time to learn to have more self control and he is more mature. jacob hasn't had much time and he could lose control more easily than edward could. jacob could end up hurting bella more than edward could. i don't think edward and bella's relationship is unhealthy. it just shows some people that the relationship and love bella and edward have is something they wished they could have in real life

*kept in a box of lies for fear of her getting hurt

I am a Jacob Lover! But I do have to say that Edward is right for Bella( even though I dislike him)The important thing is that you should read this book with an open mind (knowing that you know Edward will come back you won't have a problem)I just want you to read the book and understand Jacob and Bella's friendship,it is quiet interesting.Also you get to learn more about the pack which I like the most :D

I also agree with Corinne M about Edward being a drug. And i'll give you one reason of my own, Jacob is Edwards PROBLEM!!!...so all you little fan girls out there that love Edward, think about it if Edward didn't leave
Jacob would be a minor character just like he was in Twilight so it's not Jacobs fault its your little Edwards fault.

That Edward felt totally justified in leaving Bella in a fit of lies illustrated a major flaw in his character and demonstrated the immaturity of B&E's relationship with blinding clarity. Bella has an inferiority complex around Edward in Twilight, always wondering how he could love her, believing he is flawless, feeling flattered that such a "perfect guy" could be so interested in her, always waiting for him to see the light and leave her. Edward, too however, don't forget, has the similar feelings of inferiority in their relationship but reversed. "I'm so evil for putting this perfect girl in danger. I'm a terrible person. I don't deserve her." etc etc. It's actually quite ridiculous. They hate themselves but love eachother, and that is not a strong foundation for a healthy relationship. When Edward left Bella he was not performing "a pure act of selflessness" - he was controlling and proprietous. He treated Bella like a parent would, not like a lover; deciding what's best for her without listening to her input in the matter. He never TALKED to her about what he was feeling, thinking - he simply decided what he felt was best and played the martyr. No matter how well intentioned he was, this demonstrates that though he loves Bella, he was not ready to contribute to a mature relationship with her. His treatment of Bella at this point reflects more his self-loathing than his love of her.

So yes, their relationship was flawed and doomed as it stood at the beginning of New Moon in all its Romeo and Juliet tragic self loathing filled passion - HOWEVER, the beauty of the end of New Moon (without spoilers), and more importantly, Eclipse, is that they both realise that communication and mutual respect is integral to their relationship, and the headlong desparate rush into molding into one person before fate intervenes no longer defines their relationship. Their decision to be together is no longer a desparate move to avoid losing the other, but since they already each lost the other and hence explored their other options, it is instead a more considered mature, adult choice.

Bella has frankly always been the "parent", to Renee and also to Charlie (I dont know about you but I could never control/boss around/manipulate my parents the way Bella does Charlie and Renee. They would never be so passive a force in my life, believing every little lie I told them "to protect them". Again she treats them like they are children and she the parent). She's never had anyone truly take care of her and guide her, and hence I think she is kind of looking for that protective role model. What is Edward but a great parent, a principled, protective role model? :P Thankfully really, he evolves into more of a partner than a parent. I know that having Jake as competition forces him to respect Bella and treat her as his equal in spirit, and he starts to respect her right to make her own decisions in life, even to chosing her love life in Eclipse mainly (no details for fear of spoilers). He doesn't make her decisions for her anymore, but lets her pick every second who she wants to be with and respects her decision. Jake hence, would not only have been healthy for Bella, but was definately healthy for Bella and Edward's relationship as well, forcing it to mature into something truer and more equal, based on mutual respect and the continuous desire to be together, rather than the fear of being apart. Though there is still enough of that that there is much more for them to work on as a couple. They still have to work more on getting over their inferiority complexes for them to really be able to trust eachother fully. :P

So really, there are things I like and dislike about both Edward and Jacob (I'm nervous to go into too much detail about my thoughts on Jacob now since this is a path wrought with spoilers for now), but ultimately it is BELLA'S INFORMED CHOICE who to be with. She has a mind and is not just some object to be kept in a box and feared over getting stolen (as per edward), or to have her clear choice chucked aside because it is 'irrational and obsessive and suicidal' (as per jake). It's her freaking choice. Let her choose her own path to happiness.

Jacob Black is the best character ever! I am definitely a Team Jacob person (rare as it may be) and there are several reasons, but I'll just give you one: Edward left Bella once, and he could do it again. Yeah, he thought it was what was best for her, but he was wrong, and when he thinks he is right, he does it, and doesn't listen to logic. Jacob never leaves. He's always there. Plus, he has the potential to be human, unlike someone else we know, and could give Bella a healthier life. But that's besides the point. And yes, Edward is too much like a drug for Bella, hence my affiliation with Jacob.

My opinion on the whole Edward/Jacob situation having read all the books so far is that while Edward may be the "love of Bells's life" he (Edward) resists the idea of depriving her of any human experience because he knows what that feels like and so Jacob is "better for her". Plus I do get a little uncomfortable at her all out obsession with Edward, it takes over everything in her life and I don't know how healthy that is.

I love your blog, good luck to you on your writing.

I personally have nothing against Jacob as a character.. I just don't see him as filling in that void where Edward once was. One of the things I loved about Twilight was Bella and Edward's special connection. People who hate Edward for leaving and love Jacob for being there seem to take things at face value. And I have to say, Bella tried to move on at least. But the heart wants what the heart wants. Maybe Jacob is "healthier..." But who said that true love was always smooth, untainted, and "better?"

To all the people who keep reminding us that Bella and Edward are "soul mates?" That's what we like to call an ex machina. It's basically a way to legitimize Edward and Bella's relationship without really having to develop it.


And on that note, let's not forget that Bella and Jacob are soul mates too. I won't say anything so as not to spoil it, but it's contextually expressed in Eclipse.

And, er, guys? The whole werewolf thing hasn't exactly come into play yet..
be careful what you comment!

I personally like Jacob better yet I think Bella should end up with Edward (hell I'll just take jacob!)

edward is too overprotective its actually quite annoying but I still love him since his intentions are good

jacob is more "happier" I should say? He's an exciting character

I'm not a Jacob fan at all, but I can honestly tell you that because of Bella's drug-like addiction to Edward (and he says that she is HIS heroin), that is why they like Jacob better. However, I won't spoil anything further.

I definitely felt my heart break with Bella's at the prospect of Edward being gone.. and to be honest, you're right, it isn't the same without Edward being there. It's like ripping out a very important person in the story and expecting the other main characters to get along without completely floundering. Like that's even possible!

Congrats on making it to this chapter... and when you're completely done with New Moon and Eclipse, go on a search for the interview where Stephenie answers a question about Jacob vs. Edward and what Bella thinks...

I don't think the book is the same without Edward. But it'll get better.

Being without Edward is so painful, so you know she really loves him. But who wouldn't love him? Lol:)

Okay, one more thing...

To all the people who say that E/B isn't realistic and it's unhealthy, blah, blah, blah and so Jacob is better for her, you have to remember what SM said about E/B. They ARE soulmates, Bella fell apart because she lost her other true half and in a very real way it was like she was widowed. What she and Edward had together was more than just some high school crush, it was true love. Before you tear something apart you might want to look at what the author has to say about it. Just a thought.

wow...when i read new moon (the 1st and 2nd chapters) i couldnt wait till the page where edward comes...but there is some moree important things that u r gonna know about before she sees edward...
new moon used 2 b my least fav book the first time i read the series,, but then after i read it i started liking it more (only the end),,,so like the end and the middle of the book r the best i love it!!! :D
and i used 2 hate jacob but then i didnt hate him anymore but i also didnt love him...
i just dont wont him 2 b w/ bella thats all..

I won't say that I hate Jacob, I just have a hard time with anyone who reads the books waiting for Bella and Jacob to get together. It was Edward and Bella from the beginning, from the moment Stephenie had the dream. I guess it just doesn't make sense to me. Don't get me wrong, Jacob is a great friend to her and I absolutely loved him... to a point. Near the middle of NM and in Eclipse he just seemed like a selfish child. So I guess, I like the happy Jacob, not the moody Jacob.

Keep going though Kaleb, I absolutely love reading your take on these books!

yay for you! for making it through those chapters. like i said before, im on the same chapter as you=) .. it was sad hearing, or reading, abt Bella being dead and emotionless dont u just wanna slap her for turning her back to the world... but of course i understand her, Edward leaving is hard for anyone :( ...keep on reading Kaleb! ^_^

I am a Team Edward-er all the way but that doesn't stop me from appreciating what Jacob does for Bella. He brought her back to life when she had none left in her. People on Team Edward seem to forget all that Jacob did for Bella. They just want to mark him off as an annoying dog. Some thnk that Jacob is the better choice but is he really? Edward was and is truely Bella'a soulmate and there is no denying that fact. Jacob holds a place in her heart because he was the one that helped put it back together. Bella and Jacob aren't meant to be, and Kaleb as you read further on into the series you'll have to agree. It's a werewolf thing...

Honestly, I don't understand why everyone hates Jacob so much. The only reason people don't like him is because he gets in the way of Bella and Edward. And are Edward and Bella even right for each other to begin with!? The more I think about it, the more I'm beginning to wonder.

But as I'm reading the book, I think exactly like Bella. I think Edward is the most perfect person alive... but then once I look at everything from my own thoughts I see how flawed he is.

He's extremely controlling. He tells Bella who to hang out with. I mean, why would you want to stay with someone who tries to say who you can be friends with and who you can't. I mean, he says he's doing it to protect her... but isn't that bad too? Being extremely overprotective to the point where Bella can't even have a life?

I mean, Bella's a danger magnet yes... but that doesn't give Edward the right to completely dominate and control Bella's every action.

I could go on and on about the things that annoy me about Edward, but I won't. Oh and btw, I'm Team Edward just incase you were wondering. Despite all his flaws I do believe that he genuinely loves and cares about Bella.

But I like Jacob too.

And of course I say that, then forget to put what I originally came to comment about. =\ my bad.

Anyway, I love this website. You really seem to get it, which is more than I can say about any other guy I know. (I'm a girl by the way.. with a boys name... errr weird parents.) I just love it :)

Good lord there are tons of spoilers in these comments. Mostly it seems like people are having debates with each other instead of commenting on Kaleb's post... isn't that what forums are for?

I would be so ticked if I had read some of this while in the middle of new moon. Hopefully Kaleb doesn't read through all of these, otherwise there'd basically be no point in reading the rest of New Moon. Or Eclipse.

Sad :(

*there

whoops.

Okay, so I've already commented, but I just wanted to add something.

People keep arguing that because Bella is so caught up in Edward, their relationship isn't healthy. But I think thats just her personality. Charlie says somewhere in New Moon that she loves with her whole heart. I doubt anything Bella does is done halfway. As we've seen in the books, she thinks with her emotions and considering all that happened between her and Edward in Twilight AND the summer thereafter, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, or in this case unwritten pages.

If you want an example take the movie Titanic. Rose would have been better off marrying the rich man, she would have kept her family and lived out a long comfortable life. Now here is Jack, he's not at all in her league, he's different, and overall he's "dangerous" in the sense that she has to give up everything to be with him.

Now, if you ignore the fact that Rose hated her fiancee, we all have to admit we were rooting for Jack. They loved each other and no matter how doomed their relationship was, we still wanted to see their happy ending.

Thats partly how I view Edward and Bella's relationship. Admittedly, Jacob would be the better choice, the safer choice, but would Bella be completely happy with her life?

No. She even admits that she would always love Edward and no matter how sweet or funny or carefree Jacob may be, she will always long for her soul mate. Now, I admit, I'm not Jacob's number one fan, he really irritated me in Eclipse, but he still deserves better and he should get it. Somewhere out there is his soul mate, but that isn't Bella as we know from Eclipse.

So to sum it all up, despite the fact that Bella might have been happy with Jacob, Edward is and always will be the one she's meant to be with, as opposed to the one she was supposed to be with if their had been no such things as vampires and werewolves.

175. Genevieve


I beg to differ. Regardless of how you felt about Edward after he left, to say that Jacob has no "defensive arguments" on his side it going a little too far. I can count at lest two separate instances in NM in which Bella would be dead if not for Jacob. And that's not including the fact that after Edward shattered her, Jacob put her back together, built her up, taught her how to live again. How can you possibly hold such a patient, loving, and selfless act against him? Just because he's competition for Edward? That seems a little harsh.

team switzerland here too!
Stephenie recommends reading NM twice and I agree with her! My first reading was quick and dirty and the second was every single word! Keep reading!!!

bella does tend to get on my nerves every once in a while, simply because she needs someone to save her(hello bella, a little independance can go a long way!)but isee it as this. edward is the moon that revolves around the world(bella) edward would be nothing without bella, but jacob is the sun and bella would be a barren wasteland(the earth without the sun)without jacob. so i have to say that i am part of team switzerland!

I'm a hardcore Edward fan. i never liked jacob from teh beginning, and while i just finished the 3rd book for the first time, i still don't like him. i'm curious though as to get your thoughts on the relationship jacob and bella have while edward is gone. i personally think jake is alittle clingy. but thats me. i think hes in love with the idea of being in love with bella.

oh lored Kaleb you have created monsters!
everybody play nicely!
some of this was really getting nasty!
Everyone please take the Switz. route for the night and agree to disagree, we all love the characters and the books so two characters should not tear us apart! Come on people!
xo melissa

Contrary to popular belief, Jacob has almost NO defensive arguments on his side. How unlike Edward, who has NO offensive arguments against him.

Even when Edward left, I loved him loved him loved him. I never once had a second thought about how I felt/still feel for him. Leaving was the most selfless act he's ever done. He tore himself away from what he loves more than anything. That would be like someone literally ripping out your heart, and then going for a limb or two, and....actually, more like.....Edward is nothing without Bella. Bella is nothing without Edward. However, he left her because of reasons concerning her safety, and her mortality. I could go on forever and ever, but I think I'll leave it at this.
Jacob, he....I won't spoil both New Moon and Eclipse for you. But....RRRRRGH J***B! >:(

Praise to ya Sarah V you explained their love perfectly!

Okay guys, I can't help but comment.. Everyone seems to forget that just b/c this book is in Bella's POV and we only see her hurt and pain, we almost forget that Edward was suffering too! He basically becomes a nomad from what I can understand plus we know the lengths he goes to which leads up to the big adventure everyone loves! It amazes me that people see Edward as controlling and domineering! How can someone say that!??? If you had lived for over 100 years and out of nowhere find the love of your life you don't think you would try and protect that person at all cost even from yourself! Not to be rude, but Jake serves his purpose perfectly as just a friend! I'm sorry that he wants it to be more then that and I truly feel for him and I just hope that he can find someone for him!

I was so heartbroken after Edward left Bella. It felt like he had left me. It was the worst feeling, just like being a teenager again. I am glad I am in my late 20's and won't have to deal with dating again. I know everyone thinks Bella's relationship with Edward is unhealthy, but honestly, IF you have ever really loved someone so much that you know they are your soul mate, they are what your life revolves around, your best friend, your lover, you everything, it isn't creepy. I would rather spend time with my Husband than any of my girl friends. He is the most amazing person, and is exactly my brand of heroin. I cried so hard through the months that passed with nothing in them. they were probably the worst part of the book for me. When you find out what happens in those months, you will probably even get teary-eyed a bit. Good luck with the next few chapters. Jacob is a good character, but good only for opposition. He is an immature little boy who wants it his way or nobody's way.

Firstly, I am part of Team Edward. Yes, ok, i'll agree with the fact that Jacob DID help Bella come out of that depression a little. But he what did he do? he took her riding on a MOTORCYCLE. she almost got killed! And in eclipse, *sorry for spoilers Kaleb* he takes advantage of her completely. He kisses her after misreading body language. he makes her feel guilty and creates the mirage that he will go and kill himself in a blaze of glory, only to get ANOTHER kiss out of her. whereas, EDWARD, knowing how much trouble bella can cause without the slightest bit of help, CONTINUALLY PROTECTS HER, instead of planting her on a motorcycle. some say that he behaves in a stalker-ish way. i say not. Bella and Edward have a deep love for each other. he reminds her to take care of herself, while she wants to spend all of her time with him, she does have human needs. he agrees on dropping her off to the boundery line, not to be over protective, but just to make sure that nothing can harm her on the way. think about it. if u had somehting that you loved more than your LIFE; that was constantly in danger, would you let your eyes off of it? Edward can't imagine a world without bella, and so he takes precautions to make sure that she doesn't get injured or hurt in any way. Over and over in eclipse, he tells bella that he thinks that Jacob is the better choice for her, and that its ok with him if she leaves him for Jacob. yes, edward would always love her, but he just wants her to be safe and happy. Jacob sees what Edward is for bella, and says that he doesn't want to make her choose, but bella almost says it herself. she thinks to herself, that SHE won't let go of her hold on Edward, not Edward's hold on Bella as Jacob sees it.
in my view, jacob is an immature, werewolf, that puts bella's safety at a lower ranking than it should be and purposefully takes advantage of her.

GO TEAM EDWARD!! :D

I'm personally a Jacob lover, and I think that Edward leaving is deffinatly a factor of why I love Jacob so much. With Edward, he left so suddenly and didn't give Bella time to say goodbye to the ones she loves, her family basically. I think it was unfair to deprive her from what little closure she could handle.

I find it disconcerning that some E/B shippers seem to think that obsessive love is a good thing. It's not. In reality, it leads to abuse and is just an unhealthy dynamic. Somewhere on the Twilight lexicon forum, someone laid out how E/B is the definition of an obsessive relationship. And that is a bad thing. Dr. Phil would tell them to go their separate ways or at least wake up and realize that there's more to life than each other. I hate Dr. Phil, but he has a point. lol

169: Both men in my family work on cars for a living. Is there something wrong with that?

My little sister--the traitor--informed me last night that she's officially Team Jacob. "Jacob is a mechanic!!!"

Pssh. Laaaaaaaame. Edward's the one to beat.

I gotta say one thing, guys -- chill out with the TEAM EDWARD and TEAM JACOB stuff. Everyone has a right to their opinion. No need to try and "convert" people to your perspective. And you know what? There should be a TEAM BELLA, that likes both Jacob and Edward, and won't throw a tantrum at the end of Breaking Dawn if she doesn't end up with the preferred guy. They've both got their pros and cons, and I for one trust Stephenie Meyer to let Bella end up with who she is meant to be with. That being said, I'm team Bella, and will be happy with whoever she ends up with, because I love Stephenie's books, and I know I will love Breaking Dawn as well.

I'm team edward and even in New Moon I still loved him. I didn't read the chapters after ch 5 but I skipped to the end and eventually got to the part where the volturi are and since I didn't read the other chapters with Jake in them I thought Bella and Edward were in a ball room with the volturi. Then it reminded me of Titanic.........then I read the chapters with Jake in them and it all made sense.

The reason this book is what it is, a book, I dont judge any of the relationships off of real life...

How do you fall head over heels for someone in one week and then in six months, your life is shattered because they have left..I dont see that happening, ever...But, I LOVE Jacob because he helps Bella somewhat return...I dont think Bella could get over someone like Edward. Even though he is a twit for leaving, he means well...And the love that he gives Bella is what all of us girls dream for...

Im sorry New Moon is sad! But, it does have its moments!

Alright here I am again! LOVE IS NOT ALWAYS SANE! Get that through your heads people! And Edward is not too bad at controlling. You know what he does in Eclipse with letting up. And I don't think Jake is the better choice. Neither are human! Jake is just as dangerous as Edward. Can't use that really. Sure he's more human, but I don't know. He's not completely right for BELLA. And if it weren't for Edward Bella would be dead from Tyler's car in Twilight and wouldn't have met Jake.

160. "To all the Jacob fans out there get over it she doesn’t like him so hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!"


Yeah, she really does. In fact, she actually loves him. And we know this because Bella says so.

*not
*Bella's
*relationship
WOW! I should have proofed that.

Yeah Morgan! TEAM EDWARD
Srry, I love Jacob, I guess, but, srsly, Edward's NOT a frickin jerk miss brinkley! He's not controlling, it's care. CARE

Srsly. Srry Kaleb, had to post this.

When I finally got to picking the book back off the car floor after I read chapter 3, I turned the page to those what, 3, 4 month pages. and i was CONFUSED!
Lolz
Don't worry. It's not all depressing!

I like Edward, but nit as much as Jacob. I think that Bella realtionship with Edward is too obsessive and addictive, IT ISNT HEALTHY! Edward is controlling,a jerk, and it doesnt help his case at all that he left. Once you read Eclipse, it is obvious that Jacob is the better choice. GO JAKE!!!

That's right girl !TEAM EDWARD! all the way baby. Oh and good job to you Kaleb for getting past chapter three. To all the Jacob fans out there get over it she doesn't like him so hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

For me personally, I didn't cry or shed a single tear when Edward left, unlike many of my friends. No...I just screamed and threw a fit instead. I wasn't sad, I was mad. But, alas, I didn't cheat and skip to the end just to see if he was there. (I may have taken a glimpse and then was satisfied.) But I kept reading, as you Kaleb will do as well. In good time you'll find Jacob. All in good time. ^_^

Nina I think you put it so well. The whole "want" vs "need" thing. I know my mother always told me (and a psychology teacher I had) that the person you should end up with is the person you "want" in you life, no matter the difficulties, vs the person you "need." I respect what ever the Breaking Dawn brings. But, it is GREAT conversation.

That's because Jacob doesn't want to eat her!

Jacod is Bella's BEST FRIEND! Not BOYFRIEND!!!