Reading Eclipse: Chapter 4 (Nature)

October 30th, 2008 at 12:03 am by Kaleb Nation

The song for this chapter is I’ll Stand By You by The Pretenders (suggested by Giada)

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As Halloween is rapidly impending, I have started to ponder some good haunting movies I should watch while I gorge myself to blotation on leftover candy (hopefully including Reeses, if the little goblins and witches don’t bang down my apartment door and take it all). I’m thinking of Nightmare Before Christmas (again) or Pan’s Labyrinth (very much again) or Hellboy II (first time) or perhaps all three (whoopee). It would make my week wonderful. Which is far more than Bella can say about her week in this chapter.

Things have obviously not been going well for her. She is still torn between her best friend and her true love: a triangle that has plagued many a character in many a soap-opera. Meanwhile, Edward has gotten mighty thirsty, and Bella is insistent that he head off with his brothers and bag a few mountain lions (and we all know my experiences with mountain lions).

Due to multiple previous examples, I keep on expecting Bella to get into some sort of trouble while Edward is not around. I am sure that Edward is thinking along the same lines, because of how carefully placed Alice is, within 10 minutes of Bella in case anything ‘interesting’ happens in Edward’s absence (AKA, Bella tries to speak with Jacob / takes up that cliff-diving hobby again).

Even though Bella seems safe, I get this strange feeling that Victoria is already formulating a plan. After all, she has outwitted both werewolves and vampires for months. What sort of super-powerful vampire is she?

It is so interesting how Bella found a loophole in Alice’s powers. She hadn’t at all been intending to head on over to see Jacob, especially with Alice only ten minutes away and ready to stop her if she tried. But the catch to this is that Alice wouldn’t have time to read Bella’s thoughts and get on the trail before Bella had already crossed the border line.

Jacob, of course, is very happy to see Bella. But, as usual, things begin to turn sour as questions are raised, and Jacob again tries to convince Bella she is better off with him.

He does, however, have one slightly irritating habit. Jacob simply cannot wrap his brain around the fact that the vampires have names and that he should probably call them by it. Even dogs have names, and people will rarely if ever holler out DOG! and expect an animal to come running. So, in watching Jacob’s conversations closely, I have devised the following chart that tells me which vampire he is talking about:

The fortune-telling bloodsucker — Alice

The big one –Emmett

That redhead — Victoria

The blonde – Rosalie

The other blonde — Jasper

Their leader — Carlisle

That big fat ugly rotten no-good stinking horrible bloodsucking scoundrel from the deepest and stinkiest depths of hell — Edward

It is like in a way, Jacob is showing yet again how low he thinks of the Cullens: he hardly ever uses their names, because to him they are lower than animals. I did, however, find it rather amusing that Jacob has such anger against supernatural creatures, when in fact he is the one who will suddenly rip his clothing to shreds and turn into a big hairy wolf.

Speaking of wolves, I was rather confuzzled by the flier that originally got Bella’s attention: SAVE THE OLYMPIC WOLF. What is it about the Olympic Wolf that needs saving? What is it about the Wolf that makes it Olympic?

As I was expecting, magnets appeared in this chapter. I remember mentioning this as an analogy before, which was followed by shouts that I’m either reading ahead or an undiscovered psychic. Reality is, it is easy to compare this little love triangle to magnets. Bella’s love is something that simply cannot be split across Jacob and Edward, no matter how hard she tries to force it.

Jacob does bring up and interesting point that I have actually pondered, whilst reading New Moon. What if Bella hadn’t jumped off the cliff? How many things would be different if you change one action?

This type of thing always intrigues me. It is a regular habit of mine when I am bored and cannot sleep to trace back certain things and wonder what would happen if I made a different decision. If I hadn’t sent my email query at the exact time I had, at 8 in the morning on May 17 of 2007, I might not have gotten the attention of an agent for my book. If I had in fact awoken on April 17 of 2008, the day after starting this site, and taken it back down (as I had planned to do), I would not be writing this right now.

Similarly, if Bella had not jumped off the cliff, and sent Edward spiraling into self-destructive depression, would the vampires had really come back to Forks? Because of this one, small change, would Bella still be with Jacob, instead of Edward?

And woe! Mike Newton is brought up again. I don’t think there ever was a person who was discussed more behind his own back than Mike. He is practically famous amongst vampires and werewolves, and he doesn’t even know it. Every conversation eventually leads back to something along the lines of, “Well then, I’m going to stick with something NORMAL for a change…like Mike Newton!”.

Question for the comments: what do you think would have happened if Bella had not jumped off the cliff in New Moon? Would Jacob’s idea be correct?

——NOTES——

- Apologies for the no-posting of TwilightGuy Reports this week — had a calculus and government exam. And we all know how much I adore calculus.

Posted in Eclipse

Die Hard Twi-Hard

You are hilarious and you really get twilight which makes me love reading your post's (even if I am a little late.). As for your question if Bella hadn't jumped of the cliff the Cullen's probably would not have come back. Bella would probably have kept hanging out with Jacob and she would have kept putting herself in danger to keep seeing the image's and hearing the voice of Edward. And in a couple of years she would have ended up with Jacob.

Yahoo

cute

Maandacs

I think that even if she didn't jump off the cliff, Edward will still come to check up on her, and they will definitely speak to each other or Bella will feel his presence just like when she was in the backyard of their house one saturday afternoon reading thru her books and keep on having names that rhymes with Edward... she swear that she feels she is not alone...and that was even before she knew she loves him and that he is a vampire for that matter. Were all of you aware that Bella is the only one Edward think can see so much that he cant believe that he underestimated her???? Stephanie will definitely think of something for them to bump into each other and the saga will continue.

Nicole

Jacob might be right. But then again Edward did say he couldn't last much longer without Bella. so I do think that the Cullens would have come back from Italy.

ashley

twilight guy, ihope u see this(not edward) u are very stupid for insulting edward as if you are any better

Kassl Cullen

Well I think that if Bella wouldn´t jumped off the cliff this would happened:
*She would decide to give an oportunity to Jacob, so he´d felt like he´s the luckiest man on Earth. But we all know that Edward love´s Bella SO much that he´ll came back sooner or later, (more sooner I think) so when he came back Bella would broke Jacob´s heart and she and Edward would be happy and Jacob would be a stupid werewolf in love with a girl who´s in love with a vampire.

taylor

team edward all the way breaking dawn is my favorite book of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ummhedaya

I think that Edward really would have come back and unfortunately for Jacob she would have gone back to him... even if she had tried to commit to him... her heart left her no other choice... it would have been much uglier than what actually occurred... well, thats my thought :)

Impy

id say it could go both ways, either edward stays with his decision and charlie gets his wish, or edward goes completely wacko and shows up at bella's window one day begging for forgiveness...

Posey

The whole situation would be in the same place (with the unrelated topic that Edward may not have proposed to Bella yet). Because, Edward said it at the end of New Moon: "I was coming back anyway. Before Rosalie told me the news, I was already past trying to live through one week at a time, or even one day. i was fighting to make it through a single hour. It was only a matter of time-and not much of it-before I showed up at your window and begged you to take me back."
So obviously Bella would of excepted that and they'd be happy apart from the Jacob situation. Jacob would be an impossible friend that wants to be more to Bella.
So you see, it all would be the same in just a shorter amount of time.

Pikachu((;

Omg ! CORN ! >:D Lmaoo ! FTW !

James M.

hey man, awesome post, I really enjoyed the read. Keep up the good work man, if you keep up posts like this your blog will be a hit in no time :)

BTW, I was reading another blog and this guy seemed to have your style... is this another of your blogs? Teeth Bleaching Kit

Anyway, thanks for the read, I'll be back soon :D

Samantha

i know this i really old but it was a question that i came up with while reading Eclipse too.
i think that Edward would have eventually came back to Bella, but not nearly as soon enough. I believe that Bella and Jacob would have started to have a stronger relationship because Bella would eventually think she should move on. So in my mind, another question would be: If/When Edward returned to Bella, would it be too late? Would Bella have moved on too much so, with Jacob for her to forget everything that happened between them and take Edward back?

Maddy

Question for the comments: what do you think would have happened if Bella had not jumped off the cliff in New Moon? Would Jacob’s idea be correct?- Nope... Edward would have come back eventually... OR even in some non-existent universe where he didn't... Jacob could fill up the cracks in Bella's heart, but he can't make her WHOLE.

Amanda

Well, Edward said that he had been planning to come back, because he couldn't take being without her. I don't see a point in him saying this if it wasn't true, so I think that even if she hadn't jumped off the cliff, Bella still wouldn't be with Jacob.

Chrissie

I think Bella would've just stayed friends with Jake, and become a wolf-girl like whats-her-name, Sam's girlfriend/wife. I really can't remember, it was ages ago that I read new moon.
At the time, I thought Edward was never going to come back, I almost cried when he said he didn't want Bella. I really thought that he didn't want to cause any more trouble (not that he didn't love her, just stop the other vampires coming after her, which is sorta Edward's fault, but I don't blame him at all,) and just leave her to get on with her life, not that he could. But after reading the book, I was sure that Edward would come back. He had too, otherwise there would be no Eclipse or brealing dawn. It would end there, but I'm glad it didn't.

Ruby

answer to the question:

Edward would had come back! Lol eventhough I know that part of my reason to say that, is wishful thinking - Edward told it himself... He said that it was just a matter of time - of days, hours, even minutes!! ;) he is in the same need of Bella as she is of him, they both hold a part of the other in themselves, and apart from each other they looses that part...
Hugs from here^^

Ayaa

Well thats an ineresting question, what would happen if Bella didn't jump? If Edward hadn't come back?

It's funny that this is brought up, because I've recently come across a fanfiction with the exact same plotline.

Well, I'd assume that Jacob and Bella would live happily together, and live rather happily. Happily, at least until Jacob imprints and Bella is left heartbroken. Then what? In the fanfiction, Bella is then found by Victoria, who is still seeking revenge, and becomes a vampire and in her new, immortal life, Bella's path comes crossing the Cullen's again...and Edward who was just as heartbroken as Bella. And the plot thickens...

It's a really interesting question, but would Stephenie Meyer really leave Edward out of the story? I think not.

Nicole

Oh and also, on Stephenie Meyer's website, the New Moon FAQ says:

"If Edward had had any inkling of the fact that Victoria had returned for Bella, no matter how far away on the planet he was, he would have been back in Forks within twenty-four hours."

And that was part of the answer to the question whether or not Edward knew of Bella's life threatening experiences...

Nicole

I think that Jake would've pulled some moves on her, or tried to at least, but then Edward would come back. Because in New Moon, it said that he was done trying to get past the day or even the hour, he was trying to live every minute away from her. And since he's immortal and time isn't measured in weeks, but probably decades, (depending on when it is you were created / killed off) he was gonna come back pretty soon.
But when Jake would try to make those moves, Bella would be a wreck if he kissed her....

Sharry

HEYY i think that Jacob would've kissed Bella, since Alice would not have come to inturrupt, i think that she and Jacob would be together when Bella eventually would've done something stupid or Edward's temptation would give in. So i think that Edward would have come back in the middle of a Jacob-Bella relationship.

Bella would then have to choose. No doubt in her heart she would choose edward, however, Edward could not, would not stop her happiness.

maria

I agree. Edward NEEDS Bella. He would have come back, maybe not as soon, maybe years and Bella if with Jacob would have left him for Edward.

Sara

I think it is really interesting that Kaleb brought up the fact that Jacob will not call any of the vampires by thier names. This is a psychological tool that we were learning about in my psych class today called dehuminization (and they both do it). It is a way of making someone seem as if they are not human so it is easier to treat them badly or hurt them. I think that since both Edward and Jacob feel that the other is a threat not only to Bella but to their respective families as well they both use this idea of dehuminization so it will be easier to kill eacch other if the situation calls for it. Or I could be way over thinking it and they just hate each other and have no manners. Either way I think it is interesting.

~Tina

By the way, I have read the book Wuthering Heights, and I totally understand hoe Stephenie makes the comparasions between Edward and Jacob and Bella. It's an amazing read, but it's in old Victorian English, so it's kinda hard to understand. But I totally recommend it.

~Tina

I think the relationship would have gotten stronger...and then when Edward DID come back (because we all know he would have). And didn't Alice come back to check on Bella? Well, bad point, because she was coming to see if she was dead, sooo.... I think Bella would...ahh...can't say it, sorry. It'd spoil the book for you, Kaleb. :)

Ally Reindl

I highly doubt that Bella would have ended up with Jacob. Around the time that Bella decided to jump off the cliff, Edward had already decided to come home because he had realized that he couldn't live without Bella. I don't know exactly where Edward said that, but I know that he did.
So, even if Bella hadn't jumped off the cliff, Edward would have come back and they would have gotten back together.
. . . Only in a less drastic way.

Anna

Okay, I have read a lot of the answers (gosh there are so many!) and I agree with some things and don't agree with others (everyone is entitled to their own opinion)

But Team Edward and Team Jacob aside, I truly believe that Edward would have come back. He would have hidden in the wings though- watch Bella in her sleep for old time's sake. But, when Bella had her nightmare and started screaming bloody murder and woke up in the middle of the night, she would have realized he was there. I don’t think he would be able to just slip out her window when she was so vulnerable and obviously changed since the last time they met. He would know that even though maybe by day she was healing a little with Jacob, by night she truly was still being tortured. (Plus he would have caught Jacob’s werewolf scent and done something about that because Edward is overprotective of Bella and we all know how Edward and the vampires react to Bella’s werewolf friends—the young ones especially.

Oddly enough, I thought of another character that went through a similar situation (not exactly the same mind you, but similar.) For some reason, Cho Chang, Cedric Diggory, and Harry Potter came to mind. (Now don't send the Volturi after me because I just made a HP and Twilight comparison!)

Cho Chang after losing Cedric feels guilty for her feelings in Harry (ironically enough, Cedric Diggory was played by our Robert Pattinson and now Edward Cullen... Funny how they both left the girls heartbroken, eh?) Anyway, she was with Harry but I remember at one point in book 5 where she just starts crying out of nowhere and shows how truly torn up she still is about Cedric. She truly loved him much deeper than she let others realize.

I think Bella feels the same way-- attraction in some forms to Jacob, but still is so torn up over Edward and losing him. He is her soulmate (Jacob fans, too bad, you know it's true) and they had a connection so strong, that one day it's snapped and neither one can heal until they're back together again. Edward realizes this more and more every day, that’s why he was only a few days away from making the final decision to check up on Bella. (Read Stephenie Meyer’s extra “Rosalie’s News” if you want some more insight on Edward’s state of mind while he was away. He could barely survive without Bella, and yes he tortured himself over keeping her human, but he finds himself selfish and would have returned to feed his “selfish” side. )

For example, if you have two perfectly matching socks, then one of them gets lost in the dryer, but you decide to wear another sock instead to replace it. It just doesn't feel RIGHT. If you found that missing sock in the dryer, obviously you would take it back in, the pair was meant to be. (I just compare Edward and Bella’s relationship to socks… maybe I’m just really exhausted at the moment :D)

To sum it all up: Even Edward haters can’t deny that he was bound to return. I think that he would have heard her screaming in the night, or seen that she wasn’t like her old self, or thought that she was being “endangered” by the werewolf that came into her room/house. He would have stayed to make sure she wasn’t in danger (honestly, do you think Edward would have just left Bella be with young werewolf Jake and let them live their “happily ever after” when Jacob is supposedly *extremely* dangerous, and just let Bella continue living in danger? No, I think not. He might have even had a brawl with Jake if he hadn’t known Bella’s feelings toward Jake and how much Jake was helping her, just to protect her… who knows how that would have turned out!) Edward would stay to protect her from Victoria, Jake, and the rest of the world and would convince himself to stay because he was being her protector once more, not the one she needed protection from. I think that’s one of the major reasons why Edward leaves—he feels that Bella needs protection from himself, so he decides to put Bella out of danger at all costs, even though it would be tormenting for him, so that she is safe. That’s all he cares about—Bella, more than anything in the world.

Sorry for my long, ranting post. I just had put my thoughts out there :D

P.S. Kaleb, you are so funny :D I love your witty insight.

P.P.S. For all those who aren't sure, I was one of the happiest people in the world when Edward returned :D

Brenna

Edward absolutley would've come back, but not as quickly.

I also think their relationship wouldn't have bounced back as quickly, because without Edward thinking Bella truly was dead, he would've never REALLY realized how much he needed her to live. Sure, he knew how much it hurt to be separated, but not concretely torn apart. Bella wouldn't have learned how much Edward does love her either. I mean, he was going to die for her, and she finally realized the reason behind her hallucinations. If Edward would've just come back she may not have really discovered how devastated he was without her, but maybe she would've concluded he was just bored or something. He would've told her how he felt, but she wouldn't know for sure from experience how far he really would go for her, she'd just have to have faith in it. And knowing Bella, she wouldn't be 100% convinced he really really REALLY did love her that much.

Either way, I am VERY happy he came back. She needs him, no matter what Jacob could've done. She still would've been broken and hurt rather than about back to normal. Jacob would've just been the filler, like the cheapy, stale, knock off kind of "chocolate and cream cookies" instead of the real thing- Oreos.

Scott

I need to add that most if the Edward would come back anway comments don't seem to take in to consideration how much Edward doesn't want Bella to stop being human. If he saw any semblance of happiness there is no doubt in my mind he would leave her alone and probably watch her in secret until she died, because if haven't seen it already Edward is a glutton for self inflicted pain when it comes to Bella. I feel he loves her so much and is so opposed to destroying her immortal soul that he would content himself by watching her live out her human life and the go and provoke the Vultori once she died.

Scott

I've read a few of the comments and the general consesus I hot was Edward would've come back anyway and everything would be how it is right now. I feel I must disagree, there is no doubt Edward would have returned like he said but that doesn't mean he was going to show up on her doorstep one day. When Edward came back I think he would've hid in the shadows and watched Bella at first and depending on what he saw there is a definite chance he would have stayed away. It all would depend on when he came back I feel like Bella would have given in Jacob shortly if Alice hadn't shown up. And even though she wouldn't love him the same as Edward she would still love him. Being as Edward can't read Bella's mind if he waited long enough he would have seen her happy and in the minds he could read, Charlie and Jacob, he would see how she got better being with Jacob. I think Edward has enough self loathing that he would not be able to forgive himself for the pain that he caused her and leave her to be happy with Jacob never allowing her to know be was ever there.

Now any bomber of things could have changed this like realizing Jacob was a vampire, asking Alice to check on Bella and her seeing nothing, or catching the scent of Victoria. But if Eswars waited long enough and caught Bella on a good day there is a definite chance that Jacob and Bella could have ended up together.

P.S. I apologize for any major spelling or gramattical errors I'm typing this up on my phone and I'm really tired. And please don't hate me saying that Bella and Jacob have a chance I'm glad Edward came back and I think he is actually better for her.

Miranda

I believe with every fiber in me that Edward would have come back for Bella. I also beleive that if he held off for too much longer she would have started something with Jacob, and she would be feeling horable for it. When Edward shows back up she would indead leave Jacob in a heartbeat and it would make things quite horible. Way way way worse.

However much Bella was suffering through all of book 2, Edward was suffering more. Remember that Edward had nobody for 80 years, and then he finds his soulmate.. Bella had nobody for 17 years and then she finds her soulmate. The other side of the fence is way way worse for him... He would have come back and there is no doubt in my mind about that. Not to mention that Vampire Emotions are much stronger.

Verali

Sorry. I lied. But this is important. I have been thinking about this since I finished that part of Eclipse.
What would have happened at that same moment if, instead of Edward calling, he showed up? What would have gone on? What would have been broken in the fight? Would there have been a fight? What would the outcome be?
And then, there was the other 'what ifs' that come to mind. I have many. If you want any ideas, just let me know. I have thousands to share.
Now I promise I'll be good and shut up. Promise.

Verali

Okay. This is the last time. But Jessie, I belive that I must correct myself. You have found the solution. Bella would have become Mrs. Newton, only if Edward wouldn't have come back, because Jake would have "next chaptered" and so Bella'd become depressed and be Mrs. Newton till Edward came back. In which he would be so horrified and take her back immediately. The End.
*snort*

Verali

ps.
olympic wolf with kaleb style eyebrows. hehehe. Very funny kaleb. And how do you get all of this?! I feel so stupid while you just pick all of this stuff up like it was obvious!
UGH! *mutters incoherently*
Anyways...
ILU!

Verali

My thoughts would be that he would have come back. Eventually. This is Edward we're talking about, so he'd slip-up, just a little thing. He'd go home to Bella in the middle of the night, probably smell a lot of really bad things and - as all know - freak. He'd wake her up, apoligize - I must admit I think she'd welcome him back entirely, Jake forgotten completely for a moment - and then be very angry about the entire werewolves-are-my-best-freinds thing. And then they would begin to fight and argue and bicker and go back and forth on the subject as they are currently doing. But, I don't think that without the trip to Italy, like you said, things wouldn't be as strong, and may be able to repeat. Unless if they had Chapter 23: The Truth. And, I think that the trip to Italy made things so much stronger than before, and proving that no matter what, they have to be together.
But, if Edward didn't come back, I think that Bella would have gone for Jake - see Chapter 26 in Eclipse.
Now, I'm going to shut up and read the rest of these comments before I give anything away that I haven't already.
LOVE YOU KALEB!

julia

The answer to your question...do you know how many fanfic there are that answers this particular question?

Honestly, even if I'm not a Jacob lover, which I am, feverishly and is not ashame to admit it and holler it to the heavens above, if Edward didn't come back, Bella would eventually be with Jacob, that's just a fact.

You'll agree with me at the end of Eclipse, which is why Edward lovers, not naming any names, hates Jacob to the core of their bones. Seriously some tries to even deny the obvious at the end of Eclipse, keep maintaining that "Bella doesn't love Jacob THAT way, their family...*mumbles* friends." *roll eyes*.

It's hard to explain it since you haven't read to the end yet, even with the whole "why Jacob doesn't like to pay particular mention of the vampire's name", if you haven't read the ending.

To put it in Jacob's perspective. Vampires...are *dead*!!! They don't belong in our world. They're a bunch of moving corpses that didn't have the sense enough to stay dead. And, to make it worse, vampires especially the Cullens are the reason why he's being a mutant dog as the vampire lovers like to call the pack.

I have trouble doing chores when my mom tells me.

How would you feel that you turn hair because of some stray people that shouldn't be alive anyway??

*Jasmine^^

No, nothing would have changed- Edward would have came back and see how horrible she was and beg for her forgiveness. He probably wouldn't be AS overbearing though, not having known the feeling of losing her forever but Edward would still be Edward^^.

The only one change I think would occur is Bella would have been even closer to Jacob, spending more time with him before Edward came back. Maybe Bella might have even started returning some of Jake's feelings like she was about to before they went off to Italy, but Bella would have given up everything for Edward.

It would've only been a matter of time before Edward came back either way- even if Bella started to be somewhat happy with Jacob, the two of them are just meant to be together.

Maddie

my answer to your question is:
everthing would have happened anyway, if anybody has ever read the Cirque Du Freak series, youll understand this more. i kinda believe that if one thing doesnt happen, something else will happen to keep it to happening
like if somebody went back and time and killed Hitler, somebody else would just be Hitler, but with a different name, Bella wouldve tripped and broke her arm or something or Victoria wouldve shown up WHO KNOWS just something to make all the Cullens back again

sparkles

Bella would have ended up with Jake and tried to make him happy, and then she would have destroyed him. Because when Edward came back, and he would have, just to 'check on her', he would have found her still unhappy despite her little cozy family life, and she would have left Jake anyways for him. Plus her kids if she had any by that point. Her addiction for Edward would have surpassed any ties to Jake and her new family - though she would have hated herself for it. Really the minute Edward left her, and she bonded with Jacob, she was damned to imperfect happiness. Because she could not have both. But that's the whole point of Eclipse isn't it? That she cant have both, but she tries to have both, and shows her selfish side, and hurts them and herself in the process.

I kind of like how in the Twilight universe, everyone has their dark side. It makes things interesting. :)

Bert

I've read twilight saga too, I finish each book in about 5 or 6 hours 10 the 4th
I must admit I love the plot.

Janelle

Ah, Kaleb I swear you really are psychic. You've done it again in this chapter. But I'm not saying where. I don't want to spoil anything!
Poor Jacob. I guess I can sort of understand the resentment. They are natural enemies after all...plus he's crazy jealous. Poor kid. But I definitely love the wolf picture. And the eyebrows of course.
You've got to love Mike though! I think it's hilarious that his name always seems to come up in tense conversations. Like in New Moon, "How the hell did Mike Newton end up in this conversation?!" :D
But to answer the question, no, Bella would not have ended up with Jake. Edward says he was eventually going to come back anyway, if just to check on her. That would be his excuse. He said if she was happy, he might have been able to leave again. As Bella was definitely NOT happy, he never could have left her so miserable. Edward's return was inevitable, as was his leaving her.

Lisa from Germany

Nothing would have changed...
Edward was only days away from returning anyway and everything would be the same. at least that's what Stephenie said (or something along that lines)
anyway you are hillarious as always... can't wait for your next update!
bye
Lisa

ayia fuse

He pobably uses edwards name more in the book because edward is a more infulental ( i know i cant spell sorry:() in his life than the others so no matter how much he wants to her cant really "forget" edwards name.....

Edward is my brand of Heroin (

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:)

has anyone else noticed that Jacob uses Edwards name more than anybody elses? I wouldve thought the opposite.

hey, my dog comes running whenever I mention the word "mutt", soooo... interesting fact, her real name is bella.

Brigid

i think he would have come back anyways after a few more months just to spy on her or something, and she would be with jacob and somewhat happy. he would show up, even if he thinks he wouldn't have, and whe would have freaked and gone back to him, but still love jacob, and the whole hting would be a huge mess[ not that is isnt one already] it could have been a fun story.

Marissa

Well, Alice will likely see that Bella is miserable and go and get Edward back.

Noelle

I know that Edward really wanted to come back and that Bella wanted to come back, but I honestly think that he would have stayed away. He always wanted to do what he thought was best for Bella and in this case, it was staying away. He would have stayed away to protect her, even if it was tearing him up on the inside.

As for whether or not she and Jacob would be together, I don't know. I don't know how their relationship would have evolved or if Bella would have ever been content in another relationship. Bella and Edward just fit together somehow, and if they were kept apart, I don't think that they could ever truly be happy with someone else...

Now I feel like I have to go back and reexamine their entire relationship, because of so many things that could have changed the course of the books...

Noelle

I know that Edward really wanted to come back and that Bella wanted to come back, but I honestly think that he would have stayed away. He always wanted to do what he thought was best for Bella and in this case, it was staying away. He would have stayed away to protect her, even if it was tearing him up on the inside.

Carrie

OMG, that Olympic wolf pic is hilarious! =)...As Bella said, Edward would have come back, anyway. They just couldn't stand to be apart. Even if Edward had remained stubborn, I'd bet that Alice would've returned for Bella, or Carlisle or Esme would've convinced Edward to tell Bella how he really felt because they would've seen how miserable he was...It really irritated me when Jacob kept referring to the Cullens as bloodsuckers, leeches, etc. I understand his resentment, but it's a very good point that he is a supernatural creature as well, and a hairy one at that. Plus, since he holds Bella in such high regard, shouldn't he at least listen to what she has to say about the Cullens being good? She's not stupid and he knows that.

Emily

I LOVE MIKE NEWTON!

Heidi

Sorry about your bad experience with the mountain lions. Better luck next time!

Allis

I really don't think Bella would be with Jacob if she hadn't jumped off the cliff. Edward said himself in New Moon that it was hard to get through each hour, and that it was only a matter of time before he showed up on Bella's doorstep.

I've also considered possible outcomes if events have been tweaked, and I thought that the one point that really decided for Edward whether he was going to kill himself or not was that moment when he called Bella's house. If Bella had picked up the phone instead of Jacob, things would be so much different. Edward would have never had gone to Volterra, and probably come back on his own, so Bella could still jump off the cliff and not have to rescure Edward. So it's all Jacob's fault! He was the one who picked up the stupid phone, so I think he should be blamed for the whole Volterra mess.

mckenzie

Something I have to add... Have you ever noticed that Mike is almost never judt Mike? he is ALWAYS Mike Newton. And it is funny, how much he is mentioned in comparison to how much he is actually there. Also, Edward was going to return anyway I am positive.

Meghann

Edward would have come back, he even said so himself. So it would be all good in the end=]

Jessie

What would've happened?
She really WOULD'VE ended up with Mike.

No, seriously?
Edward would've come back. He said himself that he was on the verge of returning... and he would've come back, seen Bella with Jacob, known Jake was a werewolf, etc.

VT

Edward would have come back, no doubt. He was struggling too and I do not think he would have lasted much longer.

Monica

...among Twilight fans, this question is about as controversial as it gets!

Personally, I think Bella would have ended up with Jacob--her final "message" from Edward is "be happy" and she ALMOST started something with Jake. Then, of course, Alice showed up. I do believe Edward would have come back, just to check on her; if Bella didn't notice him, he probably would've let them be. Of course, if Bella knew that Edward had come back to check on her, things would've gotten hairy. And we'd be basically right back where we are right now, with Bella caught between the two guys.

For Halloween movies: The Ring (if you never want to sleep again), Corpse Bride (or almost anything from Tim Burton), or Dracula: Dead and Loving It (Mel Brooks ftw!).

And nothing is scarier than calculus. Blech.

Shelly

I think that even if Bella hadn't jumped of the cliff Edward would still have come back to her and she still would have taken him back. It would just be a longer process. :)

Jen

I do think Bella's life would be different if she hadn't jumped off the cliff. It would probably take a while but she'd heal, and Jacob would be there for her. Yeah, Jacob was right. The only thing that would change that would be if Edward came back even though he said he'd stay away. Then Bella would drop Jacob and go back with him. Not fair to Jake...

And what a coincidence! May 17 is my birthday! :D

Stacy

and yeah the olympic peninsula thing, that's where they live. sorry if someone said that one already. there's so many comments!

Stacy

to those who have said this, i agree. even if bella hadn't jumped off the cliff, she still would have been miserable and still want edward. edward would have come back and found her unhappy and they would go back to each other. if bella had chosen jake, edward would've come back to see her happy and let her be. but as we all know, they're soul mates and they can't live without each other. no matter what, they would've ended up together .. as it happens.

devz30

** olympic wolf (i put dog for some reason)

devz30

W-o-w. This was only posted yesterday....And there's like 90+ comments.. ^_^

OK. 5 things:

1.) "...he is the one who will suddenly rip his clothing to shreds and turn into a big hairy wolf."
Well, yeah. Exactly what I was thinking. He is one himself. He keeps thinking he's safer, though.

2.) LOL. That olympic dog thing was funny.=D
And the chart thing too w/ what jacob calls the cullens.

3.) "..and he doesn’t even know it."
Yeah, why is Mike always brought up? It's always hilarious whenever he get's mentioned.

4.) Well, it's true. One decision can alter a lot of things.That's the ripple effect. haha..
5.) To finish it off and to answer the question, actually, I don't think she'd be with jacob. Maybe, but no. I never really thought Bella could really recover anyway.
Temporarily happy on a weak level, but fragile.

Edward did say he was going to come back soon and that "It was only a matter of time", right? I always wondered what would happen when Edward came back of his own accord, not when Bella would have to save him and come herself to see him. Because then, Bella would believe sooner that Edward really loved her, and that he couldn't bear living without her.

Nicole

Ok....lets remember what was happening right before Edward called Bella's house and Jacob informed him that Charlie was indeed not home but at the funeral. Bella was about to give into him and kiss him and decide to just be with him broken and all.

So lets say for the sake of argument that Alice didn't have her vision and return to Forks to see if Bella had indeed killed herself, then Edward would have indeed taken awhile longer to return and check on Bella. Bella would have given in to Jacobs advances and try to be with him to make him happy and perhaps eventually herself, and when Edward did return all hell would have broken lose. As Edward said he would have climbed through the window and begged Bella to take him back which she would have leaving Jacob in the cold and thus probably igniting the fight between the Quiellutes and the Cullens and thus breaking the Treaty. Well so this is what I think would have happened lol.

Amanda

If you recall, Edward mentioned in the end of New Moon that he was about to come back anyway and beg Bella to take him back (I literally just lent out my copy today so I can't give a page number, sorry!). I think that he truly does love her, so he would have come back, and obviously Bella would have taken him back. I really don't think Bella not jumping off the cliff would have made things much different, it just speeded up Edward's return. Besides, I don't think she would end up with Jacob, the whole time she was with him in NM she was torn. But that's just my opinion. :)

Erin

First of all: love the eyebrows on that wolf. That really made my day!
And, nope. Edward would've come back. I believe him when he told Bella that he would have come back within six months. You should read the extras for New Moon on Stephenie's site. It explained a lot bout that.
And, Jake makes me mad. Sorry, but I hate him all through this book. And the first third of the next one. And the last quarter of New Moon. And kinda the last part of Breaking Dawn. But, the rest of the time, I like him. Sometimes.
Oh, I liked Eddy's name too. Thought that was purty sweet.
Anywhos, happy reading!

Dee

BELLA WOULD HAVE FOUND ANOTHER STUPID ACTIVITY TO DO... skydiving anybody?

and it would have send edward into frenzy anyways...

maybe bellas horrible habit of making bad decisions is not that bad at all. But I have to say I feel sorry for jacob he is a nice guy... but to much of stalker/pusher (but wasnt edward one too?) I don't know I would have liked to explore that relationship more deeply, what would have happened if jacob and bella actually dated?

PS. Looooovedthe olympic wolf thing haha :)

Gatchene

I think bella would be with jacob, they'd eventually get married, raise annoyingly destructive werewolf kids, the big package. But bella may turn out somewhat like Kim from edward scissorhands (if you've watched the whole thing, and see her going on about him at the end of the movie). have u seen those twilight tv spots? so far there's been 6 and u can find them on youtube of course!

Meghan

I think Edward would've come for Bella. as he said he couldnt stay away much longer. and coming back just to check on her would have been enough for bella to jump back into his pleading arms. jacob would still be pissed and most everything would b normal again. and she wouldnt have been grounded for running away to "LA" w/ alice

Laura

Edward's name, Olympic wolves, this is the funniest one in a while, Kaleb. Good job.
I do believe that one small thing can change everything in a person's life. If Bella hadn't cut her finger than New Moon would just have been a horrible nonexistent mnightmare. Although, I do believe Edward would've came back anyway, it just might've taken him a while to justify with himself to come back to Bella. If you've ever seen Ferris Bueller's Day off, it goes something along the lines of Cameron's dialogue when he's trying to decide whether to go hang out with Ferris or not.
"I should go back to Bella... But she's probably over me.. But I miss her... But I'm a danger to her... But I miss the smell of her blood..." etc.

KMA#1

I think, well actually I know (because Edward said it) that Edward was going to come back soon anyway. And I am positive that Bella would have gone straight back to him, even without all of the suicide attempt stuff. And Jacob would have been just as mad. So we probably would have ended up in a similar position by the beginning of Eclipse, but without all of the cool Italy stuff.

beckysue

Edward said he would have ended up coming back to see Bella in no time, but then the cliff diving incident happened, so without her jumping off a cliff, the issue would be whether she appeared happy in Forks without Edward; or was downright miserable. And that leads me to wonder if she would have given up on Edward and settled contently with Jacob. Or would she remain set in her ways and balencing on her razor's edge. I find it hard to believe that she could remain where she was situated, and I think she would have ended up (kind of) happy with Jake.

Also, Edwards Jacob given name makes me hurt.

And, it hurt when you said you intended to take down the site.........

Additionally, those are some of my favorite movies...........

Samie

Well that is in away hard to say, we know bella was giveing in to jake, before the whole cliff diveing thing.. so i think IF bella didnt jump, and edward did come back, like we know he probally would one day, he would see that bella is liveing, happy, well on the outside atleast, and edward, might be able to leave again... tho i dont think that would be possiable.. but maybe.. thats what i think atleast

robin

i think if bella wouldnt have jumped off the cliff she MIGHT have ended up with jacob but edward was coming back anyways and i think they would have been together again just in a more complicated love triangle. neither bella nor edward can be whole without the other.

and as for the Olympic wolf...it is talking about the fact that they are living on the Olympic peninsula! ha ha :)

Sam

Your doing pretty good so far Kaleb! The picture of the wolf was pretty funny.I read all the books twice, and I'm going for my third time!
As for your question, i think that even if she hadnt come back, Edward would have found a way to get back to Forks. He loves Bella to much to stay away, and he knows danger always finds her. Thts my opinion...

Feven

Even as a total Jacob lover, I SERIOUSLY doubt it..

I mean Edward even said he would've come back to check on her.. but i mean with his luck, he'd probably catch Bella filling her laugh quota of the month and run away in utter agony.. restarting the cycle..

HeyJoyous

I very much agree with about everyone else. Edward would have come back. His own need or some other instance would have brought him back. It was only a matter of time.

Olympic wolf. HA HA HA :-D

Tianna

Mike Newton, Mike Newton...
Remember in "Twilight" how Charlie asked about Mike, and then Edward told Bella a little while later he was feeling jealous about him? Thats what this post reminded me of.

I tend to do the same thing, thinking about things and how they would have been different if I did something other than what I had decided.

Funny thing seeing how you had already gotten to (Chapter 5) in only a few weeks, and how long it took to get to where you are now. I also find it funny how they call each other childish names. It seems more like teasing than anything to me.

On a different note, I dont' think Jacob would have been correct. Edward has pointed out that he would have come back eventually even if she hadn't jumped off of a cliff. I've heard how he grimaces every time someone mentions it.

Not sure how to put this, but your posts and analyzing of each chapter does tend to raise questions I hadnt thought of and it amuses me to see how easy your entertained.
You remind me more of the male characters in the Twilight Saga now than in your first posts.

Stephanie

Well I believe Edward when he said he would have come back anyway at the end of New Moon. And if any of you had read the extra on SM's website where Edward gets the phone call fro Rosalie you could tell how miserable he was without Bella.
He definately would have come back, but not make contact at first. He would have made contact when he saw how only a small part of her had healed and she was much worse off without him or when he saw she was spending most of her time with a werewolf. He would not risk Bella's safety. Inevitably, Edward would be back in Bella's life, and sorry Jacob fans but Bella would most likely open her heart back up to him. Things would be the same as they are now.

Mly

If Edward were out of the picture, of course Bella would end up with Jacob. When they meet in the first book, Bella naturally liked Jacob. They got alone really well. BUT, Bella cannot resist the pull that is Edward. I bet, if Bella hadn't been all crazy and jumped, she would be with Jacob. Edward would have come back, although MUCH later than what he does. He would have snuck in to just see her and how she was doing. He would have seen Bella with Jacob. Poor, poor Edward would have been heartbroken, but he would have been "right" in his belief that she would be better off without him. Whether he would stick around as her "shadow guardian", run back and be depressed like he was last before, but this time believe he was right (because of the "proof"), or kill himself... hmm... not quite sure, I would need a little more time to think on that.

Love the funny, perceptive insights you have on the books. Thanks for being a weirdo and letting other weirdos see what you are doing. :)

Melissa (melissaturkey)

I do not think that bella would have ended up with jake even if she hadnt jumped off that cliff, simply because edward was always seconds away from coming back, he was as depressed as she was if not more so(he did not a distraction aka awesome best friend to help him), and also he couldnt live without her and vise versa, he would have eventually come back and begged (though we all know he wouldnt have to) for her forgiveness and asked her to take him back, he was so close to this point when he heard rose's news...

but for arguements sake less say he didnt and by some miracle managed to stay away from her....she probably would have ended up with jake regardless of how things were supposed to go...she was so close anyway, of loving him so dearly that she would have started somethign with him just to mmake him happy even though she couldnt give him her full heart...which wouldnt be fair to anyone.....

so personally I think edward would have come back regardless of how much I love jake and....he did even though perhaps not in the best fashion...alerting the volturi of bella was probably the worst side affect of the cliff diving hobby,
:D melissaturkey

nottellinforfearofdismembermen

if bella didn't jump off the cliff, i think edward would have come back eventually and everything would be about the same as now, sans impending volturi doom. though, if somehow edward had stayed away(ahem, unlikely) i STRONGLY believe that bella would have been okay eventually and had a life with jacob.

now! cue the harmonious uproar!

-??

Liz

In New Moon Edward mentions that he was about to crack anyway...it would've been a matter of time.

Cara

Ha, Olympic Wolf is as in Olympic Peninsula... You know, Washington?

I think that even if she hadn't jumped, Edward WOULD have come back anyway... So while Jacob and Bella might be together for... I don't know, a few days? Bella would still come back to Edward.

Devon

Yeah, Edward would have come back, as he said, and I think Bella would have been all over that like white on rice. I don't think things would have been that much different, just minus the drama that came along with racing the clock to save Edward, and meeting the Volturi, which cements more and more for Bella that she needs to become super vampirific. I think, had Edward come back and begged forgiveness, Bella may have been more easily convinced of his love for her.

Becca Shmeka

I think, all in all, that Edward and Bella would have still gotten together even if she hadn't almost died.

Remember, (not a direct quote, please do not eat me) Edward said something along the lines of how he was past even living one day at a time and it had gotten to an hour at a time. He told Bella that he would have probably soon come back crawling and begging her for forgiveness, to take him back.

Jacob can rant all he wants about how good it would have been if Edward hadn't come back, but the truth is, Edward is as much a part of Bella as she is to him so it was only a matter of time. Jacob doesn't seem to get that.

Lucy

In New Moon he said he would have come back eventually because his restraint was deteriorating. He would have come back and begged for Bella to forgive him. Even if Bella gave in and was with Jake. He'd try his hardest.

Heather

Haha I loved the name "Jacob" gives for Edward. That was priceless. And then to follow up with the Olympic Wolf ad...I was cracking up.

Alas, you begin to see the beginning of Jacob pushing himself onto Bella. It only gets worse from here.

And the question...if you read the New Moon Extras on Stephenie's website (coughcoughDOITNOWcoughcough) you'll see that Edward was barely making it, as he says in New Moon, a single hour. He would've come back eventually, probably within a few weeks if not sooner, and it would've been a much less dramatic end to New Moon. So...I'm kinda glad Bella jumped off the cliff. But no matter what, I don't think Jacob's plan would've worked. It would've if Bella had been dating a normal human guy, but since she was dating Edward *insert heavens parting and angels singing here*, poor Jacob just never had a chance.

Anna

I doubt she would have stayed with Jacob. Edward wouldn't have lasted much longer than she would have without each other. And I can't see Jacob as anything more than that lovable best friend with an incredibly fantastic muscular structure.

I also feel your pain in the Calculus area. My exam was a weeks ago and I was blessed with the suprisingly passing grade of 73.

i_luv_twilight

Idont think so because edward says in mew moon that... it wouldnt have been long before bella saw him begging to take her bak!!!!!! so u can take vampire from human but u cant take edward from bella!!

P D Yerf

I had to write an entire fanfiction (the link above) to answer this question for myself and my answer:
Edward would not have stayed away. He said himself that he would have come back, if only to check up on Bella, and then the presence of Victoria would have forced him to stay, and because of the deep bond between himself and Bella they would have ended up together eventually; once he returned and they were able to talk to each other gravity would just move and they'd have to be together.

E

I think that Edward definitely would have come back. He always loved her, and experienced just as terrible as hers, if not worse. He didn't even have a Jacob to ease the pain... of course, it probably wouldn't have been so easy a transition.
Also, nice chart. Very useful. ;)

JulietteluvsTwilight

Well I don't know if anyone said this before me, b/c I haven't read allllll the comments before mine, but I believe the wolf is Olympic because, either:
a) he beat Michael Phelps in a swimming competition last week and is therefore an olympic champion
b) he's from the Olympic Peninsula, in Washington :D

I suppose b is more likely, considering the setting of Eclipse.

And no, I think Edward would have returned for Bella like he told her...
And he would've seen how miserable she was all the time and begged her to take him back :)

Krystol

First of all... poor Mike. I love how he is the epitome of a human boy.

Edward would have come back anyway, but that would have made a boring story wouldn't it? I mean, the climax of the novel is Edward climbing back through her window and begging for forgiveness and pledging his love? That's sweet, but it's hardly exciting.

Remember that Edward did say he was tired of trying to last through minutes at a time. He would have come back because there is no force on Earth that can keep the two of them away from each other forever.

Becky

Edward does say that he planned on coming back because he couldn't take it anymore, but she jumped off the cliff before he did. If Bella hadn't jumped I think he would've come back and somehow or other they would have ended up together. Or Alice would have seen Bella doing something and Edward would have seen it too and realized that she still loved him, ect. Eventually. It might have taken a while longer, but eventually it would have happened. I least I like to think so, but some fanfiction writers would disagree, lol

Happy Halloween! hope the trick or treaters dont take ALL the Reeses :)

rachel

you'll get a better understanding of Mike Newton of you ever get around to reading Midnight Sun.

No, it was always Edward. But hey, i am an utter romantic.

Elise

I think he would've eventually come back but when he found Bella was with Jake who is a WEREWOLF he would've
A. Stayed in the shadows quietly wacthing for the day when Jake hurt her or

B. (I personally like this one;) rip her out of his arms and possably try to rip his head off

C. go all melodramatic and try to live without her again (note to Edward: before you do this remember how well it worked out the first time)

But I think he would've come back no matter if he did A,B,or C

Sarah

Well, if Bella wouldn't have jumped off the cliff, she probably would have remained with Jacob for awhile longer.
But the truth is, Alice probably would have seen Victoria coming and that would have prompted Edward to come and save Bella eventually.
Because, I'm sure that at some point Edward would've read Alice's thoughts and been like "oooh s*** not again," and run off to save Bella.

SOO. It would probably be like the ending of New Moon, only in reverse ;D.

But that's just my opinion XD.

Oh and btw, while I was reading this, i was in fact eating Reeses. They're my favorite candy. Beyond belief ahaha.

Tina

Nah, Edward would've come back eventually, Jacob shouldn't be getting his hopes up...

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