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Reading Eclipse: Chapter 20 (Compromise)

January 27th, 2009 at 12:05 am by Kaleb Nation

The song for this chapter is Season of Love by Shiny Toy Guns

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I was sitting in the school cafe earlier today, minding my own business and getting some writing done, when I overheard a conversation at the table next to me that went something like this:

Guy 1: Jonas Brothers fangirls are the creepiest girls ever. What is with them?

Guy 2: No man, the Jonas Brothers fangirls are nothing compared to TWILIGHTERS.

-all guys murmur in unified agreement-

Guy 3: Yeah, they’re all way crazy over Edward Cullen.

-guys go silent-

Guy 2: Who’s Edward Cullen?

Guy 3, stammering: Oh, I, uh, I, uh, I read the first few pages. My sister had it. Uh. Uh.

Niccceeee. You don’t even see Edward’s name until page 20. Yet another closet TwilightGuy I’m guessing :D

Anyhows, I managed to make it home in one piece in this chilling weather, and lo and behold Eclipse was here waiting for my return. Where I left off, Bella was with Jacob, watching the preparations for the war against the young vampires.

Oh Edward Cullen, what a poet. At the moment, I’m studying poetry as part of my English studies, so when I read lines like this:

“Listen to your heart fly,” he murmured. “It’s fluttering like a hummingbird’s wings. [...]“

I’m  immediately reminded of poetry. There’s a musical quality to the way that Edward speaks. I’m sure everyone who’s read the books noticed this: he never just says:

“Oh look,” he huffed, “your heart’s beating. Whoop-de-doo.”

He’s got a special way of talking, which is easily reminiscent of the literature from the times when he was born. Again, this is something that sets Edward apart: he’s not trying to be like every other, normal guy. He’s trying to be different, to really show Bella that she means the world to him.

As usual, I chuckled at a very awkward-to-be-chuckling-at line:

“But that will always be what I want most, won’t it?” I challenged. “Blood, blood, and more blood!”

Twilight, Zombie Translation

Twilight, Zombie Translation

It’s striking to me, just how much the marriage means to Edward; as if anything big will change between them, since he is obviously dedicated to her, and she can’t bear the thought of leaving him. But there’s a depth to it, a commitment that Edward is seeking to make, in a very human way that one would think doesn’t apply to vampires. But I’m curious as to Edward’s reason. He can’t be simply doing this and so adamant about an actual marriage just because he is from the early 1900′s: it’s been so long since then, and qualms about societal norms would have vanished into his memory. After all, back in those days, anything resembling vampires was probably considered demonic anyway.

I get the feeling, though, that Edward has many reasons for wanting this: for even though it is obvious that he loves Bella, and his love will not change after they are married, he wants an actual, human connection between them: something normal, that binds them together by actual vows. He sees being a vampire as being ‘tainted’, and I feel that he sees his eternity with Bella as so important, he does not want their commitment to be built upon this tainted foundation, but rather upon a human marriage: one with a soul. After all, Edward and Bella are talking about forever in far more sense of the word than other humans being wed: theirs is a real and literal forever.

I noticed a sudden slew of emails the past few days, most of them telling me oh-how-much they wanted to hear my opinions on Chapter 20. This, as usual, was followed by a bunch of HA-HA-HA-ha-ha’s, which caused me a considerable amount of uncomfortable suspense for what I was going to find. Rest assured, I reacted in exactly the way my readers expected:

awkward

Ahem. Anyhow, we were back at the vampires and werewolves fighting something in some sort of a bloody battle. Yes, that’s the part I was reading.

I greatly enjoyed reading the comments on the last chapter post: people have so many different opinions on Jacob. But I feel I should clear it up somewhat and say that I don’t absolutely detest Jacob to his very core. It’s just sometimes, I find it annoying how he’s trying to get between Edward and Bella. I, for one, am a somewhat selfish guy. It would be very hard for me to deal with my girlfriend having a Jacob, and I might not even be able to deal with it at all. I would see it as Bella not being loyal to me, and hanging on to an alternative resort in case things ‘don’t work out’. But if there is such a large probability of things ‘not working out’ that she’s keeping this guy hanging on, then that would make me think that what we have isn’t as strong as I thought. I respect Edward even more, because he can actually bring himself to at least seem comfortable with Bella around Jacob so often.

I realize that the vast majority of my readers are girls, and I don’t know how to put this in a way that everyone will understand; since human emotions and feelings cross such a vast landscape, it is impossible to pin any one person down and say that they are the model for all guys. But I know that I would never be able to handle being Edward, if my girlfriend kept Jacob — even the bracelet from him would be enough for me to feel hurt. Similarly, I would never, ever be able to be a Jacob: this guy who keeps hanging around, pining away at somebody else’s girl, when she really truly wants to be with Edward. I don’t see myself, or any guy who has a decent sense of respect, being happy like that.

But the reason I don’t hate Jacob, through all this, is because he is, or at least seems to be, genuinely well-intentioned. It’s back to the abusive boyfriend situation I used as an example a few posts back: if Jacob seriously thinks that Bella staying with Edward is dangerous to her, then he has good reason to try and get her away. In fact, it’s best for him to do it. But the fact we all know is that Edward is unlike the rest of his kind, and wouldn’t let anything cause him to hurt Bella: as evidenced even more so by the bedroom episode that unfolded in this chapter :D

Question for the comments: I’m curious to know, due to the bunch of emails I’ve gotten, who you think should play Aro in the New Moon film.

——NOTES——

- There have been additions to the FAQ page.

- The song is from the new Shiny Toy Guns album, which is just plain awesome by the way. Not as good as We Are Pilots, but still made of win.

- Followers of my Twitter will recall a conversation about ninjas earlier. The Twilight conversation I wrote about in this post came immediately afterwards from the same group :D

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  • ummhedaya
    ha ha ha... 'closet twilight guy' that is soooo funny!!! Your posts always make me laugh so much... makes me sad that I'm so late on this twi-craze... I seem to have missed out on all this fun while it was happening :(
  • Nicole
    Don't worry. It's never to late to jump on the Twilight train.
  • ummhedaya
    Thanks a bunch... it actually makes me feel nice that the fans are so open to newbies... even older ones like myself :)
  • edwardluvsbella
    :) this is my favorite chapter i love edward!!!
    BTW twilight guy you should act like edward tward your girlfriend any girls would love to have a boyfriend that acted like edward theres not many out there :/
  • Ali
    Well, Im commenting finally. Giving my opinion on this Jacob/Edward war and I have to say...I dont like Bella.

    I really dont like the way she played the two of them, and its really hard for me to like a book, but hate the main character. She just irritates me. While Edward and Jacob come off as sincere in their love, though they show it differently, Bella just seems obsessed with Edward and selfish with Jacob.

    As for the other, people keep commenting how Edward shouldn't let Bella see Jacob and I disagree. Edward left HER, not the other way around. He told her to move on and she tried, in her own way. I think thats why he 'lets' her see him with no complaint. Its his fault her and Jacob are friends. I always found Edward more controlling, and thats why I lean towards Team Jacob.

    At the same time, Jacob is immature and childish. He does try to separate them. You say you try to see it from Edwards point of view, well try seeing it from his. The man left her completely broken. Barely functioning. And he was there for her, when Edward was not. Id be miffed if she just ran back to him the second he returned.

    In the end, I dont like Bella most. Then Jacob, then Edward. (I also like the way the wolf pack get along more than the way the vampires interact.)
  • JackNBrown
    Despite wind-burned cheeks, freezing fingers, and the deafening hum of the switzerland clothing cold wind in your ears, a paragliding trip is well worth the unsurpassed birds-eye view of the sparkling lakes below.
  • struhar2009
    i LOVE seeing a guys opinion on this whole jacob thing i mean i felt bad for edward (sort of) but now i can def. see like more of how it hurts even trusting bella like he does. thanks for having this awesome website bc i know no guys in real life that read twilight :)
  • Sam
    i loved the conversation part! that made me crack uppppp! oh and i totally agree about him being a "yet another closet TwilightGuy" lol

    and i also found your mention of the 'bedroom scene' being awkward hilarious...just wait until BD!
    as for most fangirls this is one of my favorite chapters because of the proposal...and i agree 100% with post number 65!
  • Gothhic Goddess
    Smooth out the wrinkles, and I would hands down say Aro should be played by Johnny Depp. He has a way of bringing characters to life, like none other. And, he could do the whole cheerleader gone bad attitude as well. ;)
  • joe is cute but nick is HOT i like nick j more than you so put it in a jucie box and suck it
  • Same, the Jonas brothers can make any song a decent song .
  • Maddy
    I think it means more coming from a guy.. So I'm glad you pointed out Edward's position.
    Also, Edward is an old-fashioned guy.. so marriage means a lot to him, and it is also a way for him to declare his love for Bella to the world.
  • m5roberts
    You keep referring to "If I were Edward, I wouldn't like _____ about the Jacob situation." Let's just say you're not Edward. Let's say you're Jacob. Would you not be equally as stubborn? If you sincerely believed that Bella was "the One," would you really just step away? I don't know if you are a fan of The Office (US) or have followed its storyline, but in the Roy-Pam-Jim triangle, Jacob is a lot like Jim, but in Jim's situation, the writer intends for you to take his side, whereas with Twilight all signs point to Edward. It's clearly a matter of perspectives.
  • Cody 'Emmett" Cullen
    Don't talk to me about akward. Ive head the whole series three times. I'm Twelve. and look at the name in parenthesees. You dont know the meaning of akward!


    your sites awesome : -)=
  • Danielle:D
    i dont know about enough actors to even suggest a part for aro. how are you guys getting all these names for him? its so confusing. everytime i read a comment suggesting a new aro im like "WHO IS THAT!!??" lol. i DO know who johnny depp is. big fan. i used to want to be a pirate so yea i know him. lolz. now i wanna be a vampire.hee hee! ;)
  • Allison
    I always imagined a person resmbling Robin Thomas as Aro.
  • Nazneen
    Okay, whoa. I just watched Inkheart. And I definitely think that Andy Serkis who played Capricorn in Inkheart should become Aro! Hahah.

    Fantasy stories are awesomeness.
  • Kelly
    I think either Christopher Lee or Ben Barnes should get the part of Aro. They're both awesome. ^^
  • Danielle :D
    yea. i finally started eclipse. only 3 pages but its better than nothing.
  • Actually, we're probably the only two still paying attention. LoL :)
  • Aw, it's okay, Danielle. Sometimes you just need to let it out.
  • Danielle:D
    hey viewers of my last comment im sorry for writing that. i didnt need to blab about my problems on this. im sorry.
  • danielle
    But anyway, i did a lot of crying in new moon when edward left bella and at the end when she was like "you love me!" you know, the part where she actually believes him and figures out that he never stopped loving her. But the part at the beginning of new moon made me cry uckets because i was getting over a horrible break up when that part came up and it was just so horrible. the guy i was with pretty much said the same exact thing that edward said to bella "i dont want you." it was very devastating. This was on December 13. I have recently made people believe that i am totally and completely over him since the other day he called me stupid. I believed that too but im just not sure. it's very difficult. oh yea, and one day, and exact month after we broke up, he called me and i almost passed out right there talking to him. i could not breath. so, yea, it was pretty bad.
  • danielle
    ow, eye rolling. i bet im going to get pretty annoyed in eclipse. i hope mike is in it. cause that means he will be in the movie. mmmmm mike! hee hee ;)
  • J,

    Yeah, I've read the books like four times now. LoL

    Like you had said before, though... It's not really as if she had any chance of physically holding him there with her, and Dr. Cullen had only left word that they were in California, which she knew was obviously not true. With him having infinite money and resources, it would have been pretty difficult to try and track him down. Not to mention, what would she have told Charlie?

    I think the fact that she couldn't stand to look at the stereo and clawed it out of the dash also speaks for how much she was really hurting. I think at the point she really thought he didn't love her anymore and was never coming back, otherwise I don't think it would have been so painful to see.

    Even when she went to Italy to save him, she didn't want to fall asleep on the plane ride home because she was so sure that when he got her safely home, he was going to leave again. Through all of that, she still couldn't see how much he really loved her. She'd already convinced herself of the latter, so even when he tried to admit his lies to her, she thought she was dreaming.

    It's in that conversation that you find out about her thinking he left because he finally realized he was too good for her. When he says how painful it was that she believed him so quickly, and she says that she always has been waiting for him to realize that he didn't love her. About the same way he always wonders when he will say something that will be too much and she'll run away from him, screaming.

    New Moon made me cry A LOT.

    Eclipse caused a lot of eye rolling.
  • J Cullen
    Michelle,

    alright, that does make some sense. I think if you consider that Bella never really thought that she was good enough for him, then I can understand where you were coming from. At the end of Twilight though I got such a strong feeling from their talks in the emergency room that she just couldn't bare to be away from him. It almost seemed like this was the first time we saw the quite and shy Bella really assert herself when she told him he was crazy for speaking of leaving her.

    And yes I also agree with you regarding the end of Eclipse. They all annoy me. It will be interesting to read these again and pick out the subtle points that I probably missed the first time through.
  • danielle
    yea, i was getting a bit mad in the part in new moon when they were at the movies and mike was in the bathroom. I thought Jacob came off a little conceited and sassy in that part. It really annoyed me. I was thinking "oh, gag me with a spoon!" lol!
  • Ew to the Lindsay stuff.

    J Cullen,

    What I got from New Moon was that Bella didn't try to stop him because it was always her fear that he would eventually realize that she wasn't good enough for him and he would leave her. She'd noticed over the last few weeks that he had become withdrawn, she'd even had the pictures to look at and compare. She said that his eyes had just gone dead and she knew that something was seriously wrong, even before he told her. She tried to fight with him when he said that he'd stay with her until she didn't want him anymore, and when he caught that she was going to try and use that approach, he said the only thing that she couldn't argue with... that he no longer wanted her. I know that it seemed clear to most of us at that time that he was just trying to leave her because he's no good and not because he doesn't love her, but she didn't get all this. All Bella saw was that Edward didn't want her anymore. Her biggest fear finally come to life.

    I was devastated the majority of New Moon by their separation, but I was never mad. Edward just thinks too much, and he thought he was saving her. Silly boy. Bella was just trying to keep breathing any way that she could. I was actually grateful for Jacob in this book because he helped hold her together for many months.

    It's in Eclipse when I end up mad at all three of them. Jacob's actions really annoy me a good deal of the time.

    He still annoys me a bit in Breaking Dawn, but for most of it, I'm too struck by his absolute grief to be mad at him over it.
  • danielle
    Well, they cant make him blonde or bald because in the book it describes him as having long black hair. Why would they cast lyndsay lohan? ew. i bet she cant even read lol!
  • I think it will be interesting to see who they get to play Aro, considering Lindsey Lohan is in talks to play Leah... *throws up a little bit in mouth* i think they need to be careful not to cast too many "big name" actors/actresses just for the name... However, since I do not know of any lesser known actors I will have to stick to a big name for now lol. Aro needs to me slightly mysterious... creepy almost.. i picture him to be very short (although taller than Jane) and for some reason I picture him bald... or maybe just incredibly blonde... hmm... this is hard... any thoughts guys?
  • Asya
    I'm trying to find as much stuff to do as possible to keep myself away from Breaking Dawn. I call it fighting the addiction, so Ive just been reading your blog and laughing so hard to myself, especially at your reaction, which I must say was pretty much like mine. I think i went through the whole chapter just cringing at how awkward it was. But nevertheless, no matter how cheesy and awkward it gets, I still love the books.

    Please post some more about what you thought as you go along reading the book. I finished Eclipse last week and I enjoyed the last 6 or so chapters, although i get quite irritated at Bella, (you'll find out why). Tell us when youve read further!

    By the way, I just "discovered" you two days ago from being a faithful member of the Facebook Twilighters, and just so you know, I think ur awesome. :P

    Take Care! Oh and good luck on your biology test, even though I think this is a bit late. x x
  • J Cullen (my real name)
    Wow, its so interesting to hear other people's thoughts on the love triangle. I at first really hated how the relationship was going between Bella and Jacob. Maybe b/c I new somehow that Edward had to come back and that I hadn't fully taken in how Bella and Jacob's relationship had grown over a period of months, and so I thought that she should just wait for him to return or at least hunt him down somehow. I had the attitude that you just can't let true love like that slip away from you. If it really was true love then don't give up on him. Do whatever it takes to get what you want and don't let Edward sacrifice himself for your safety. I just totally thought of Edward and Bella as being inseparable, especially after what James did to her.

    Also, for some reason, when reading New Moon, I always thought that Jacob might be the one most likely to hurt Bella, because he didn't seem to be able to control his temper. I also thought that since he was a new werewolf that he wouldn't be able to control his temper very well, and might "accidentally" harm Bella. She also seemed so much more mature for her age than the other characters, and Jacob was physically younger and definitely much less mature than Bella. But if you look at it from the point that Jacob being in so much pain b/c he does love Bella, then it makes his childish actions somewhat understandable. Bella told Jacob often that she didn't love him romantically, but at the same time she in some ways kept his hopes alive. If I was a human Edward, I think a person like Jacob would have really bothered me, but I certainly wouldn't have let anyone know that. The one thing that put me at ease with the issue and made me realize that Bella truly does love Edward, is how Stephenie Meyer explained it in her FAQ on her web page. She mentions that Bella has a choice. Jacob is the easy choice, and she could live an almost happy, normal life. She could have children and wouldn't have to give up her family. Edward is a far more difficult choice because of the danger and the whole becoming a vampire issue. And Bella chooses Edward without any hesitation and in fact I don't think she sees any of the "sacrifices" she has to make to be with him as sacrificing anything. That point also relates to why I was so mad at her for a while in the second book. She knew that her love for Edward was unconditional and would never wane, yet she didn't try to stop him from leaving. Well, I guess you could say she tried as hard as any human could to stop a vampire from leaving.
  • danielle
    uh yea, cause those clothes are cooler.( hints to sarcasm in that) and, id rather not have that mental image of vampires running around naked lol. but no, i have not started eclipse. I'm still sick and i would not be able to concentrate very well. When i go back to school, which may be tomorrow, i will start it.
  • LoL Danielle. No, they had clothes before. They just ditched them when they found cooler stuff. I watched an interview about that somewhere. That's just the perspective from the movie.

    In the book, of course, they were wearing some, like, hiking clothes. All flannel and hiking boots and whatnot.

    Plus, they don't have a house or anything so they don't really keep clothing. I guess once stuff starts to wear out they just replace it with something from a victim. Or steal it. Except James who likes holy jeans, haha.

    However, it is pretty funny to picture them running around naked. It brings to mind a chapter in BD.
    Have you got to start Eclipse yet??
  • Elizabeth
    I'm so glad I'm not the only one who pictured Bill Nighy as Aro. He has always been the Aro in my head as I read the books, even though the Volturi are younger than he is. He's just the perfect Vampire bad guy.
  • maggie
    Yeah, I'm not sure why anybody would be Team James... I understand the whole "Evil is cool" thing, but... still, wtf? Although, yes, MOVIE-James is hot. BOOK-James is horrible. I'm kind of getting sick of all the speculation about who is playing Aro... I wish they would just finish casting already!!! Oh, and I meant to tell you guys, if a guy named "Walker Arkansas" is one of the wolves... yeah, that's my cousin, he's auditioning :)
  • Natalie A.
    Orlando Bloom for sure!
    i heard ben barnes might be playing him tho according to a facebook group
  • danielle
    Ew, so what your saying is, at first, they were just some vampires running around naked until they stripped their victims? thats a bit weird. lol.
  • Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they live like Nomads. They don't have a home and their clothes (in the movie) were a mixture of things taken from their victims, so it makes a bunch of sense that they wouldn't be clean. I do think Cam's a hottie, though. I even liked him back in the day when he was killing off Marissa... LoL
  • danielle
    eh, i think he looks like a hippie when he has the long hair and stuff. but, like when hes normal looking yea, he is pretty hot. but i dont get it, why would they make him look uglier than he is if they are trying to make him look like a vampire which are supposed to look amazing?
  • Moegi
    Danielle, no matter who they like, it's not going to change the fact that they're fans. And come on, James is hotness! :DD
  • danielle
    Oh, and my opinion on the team james thing is if anyone says they are team james then they should not be considered twilight fans because, a real twilight fan would not be on the team of the person who tried to kill bella.
  • danielle
    My friend got me a shirt from hot topic that had edward on it and he was surrounded in broken glass. I really like it. I also have a jacket, which, on the front, says "twilight" then on the back it says "Are you afraid?" I want a necklace from there thats in the shape of a heart and says "I dream about being with you forever." and a jacket that says "and so, the lion fell in love with the lamb." If you guys want twilight gear Hot Topic is a really good store to get it. (don't recommend it for normal clothes though. That's a little scary. hee hee)
  • ~Kris
    Um, this is interesting...i haven't read new moon since the movie came out (which, if you haven't already, DON'T go see it...it was terrible, they included NOTHING about Jasper...

    As for Aro, i REALLY think John Hurt would be a really good choice!!! He played ollivander in the potter series movies, and i think that he would do good, hes got that old look to him, like hes been around too long and he can act...i don't know if i'll even go see new moon, but i think i might...depends on the reviews...
  • danielle
    oh yea, that one is cool. but tyler is my friend. i was talking to her on the phone when she was posting that. shes a big weirdo. she was talking about tacos and blaxicanese because we have this friend named kyle and he loves tacos and we call him blaxicanese. ( black, mexican, chinese)
  • LoL. I won't pretend I know what's going on, but I'll laugh at it all the same.

    I'm thinking about ordering that shirt with the apple on the front that says "bite me" I love it!!
  • danielle
    oh yea, and you spelled blaxicanese wrong ty.
  • danielle
    yes i have met him tyler. he is my bff. twilight is better than tacos though.you are very random tyler.
  • Tylerr
    Has anoybodyy met my blaxicanescan brother kyleee?? He lovess Tacosssss.....but i lovee Twilightt!!!
    <3
  • danielle
    Thank you very much for looking that up for me. Hot topic is a weird store. But, they would be the ones too say evil is cool or something, i mean, i get my twilight clothes from there but otherwise i dont shop there. and hey tyler! want a mocolocochoco tyler lol!!!
  • Tylerr
    Heyy Daniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
  • I don't know what time zone it posts in. I've never payed attention.

    I looked up the Team James thing. From what I can tell, it started with Hot Topic. "Because Evil is Cool". Whatever...

    I also did a little looking into website domains for you. The (seemingly) easiest option I found is GoDaddy. They offer some software to help you make websites and you can also register domain names with them. I also checked them with the BBB. They've given the company an A+. I don't have any personal experience with them, though.
  • danielle
    oh, and, are these posting times in texas's timezone? Because, it said i posted my last post at 6:37 and i posted it at 7:37.
  • danielle
    Yea, i saw people talking about being on team james on like, flickr i think. And on twilightthemovie.com your desktop background can be james and i was like "Ew, who the heck would want him as a background?!"
  • Nirak, okay, I retract my statement. I just googled a recent pic and with everything they can do these days, he would fit the role. I'm not sure how many more hotties I can stand to see filling the screen at once, though. Haha.

    Danielle, hard to say about your Mom. The books were all aimed at a young adult audience, though I think that Breaking Dawn stepped across a few lines. Don't anyone freak out, I only think that NOW because I'm a Mom. I wouldn't have seen any problem with it when I was a teen either. I think trying to stop her from watching the movie is only going to make her more likely to watch it. I'd bet that your Mom probably has a better understanding of what you're reading than you think. I'm sure she's done her own research to make sure it's appropriate just like my Dad used to do when I was younger. I think your Mom watching the movie and discussing those "awkward" scenes with you is in your best interest. It's nice to be able to have an open line of communication with your parents. I would much rather any questions you have be answered by your Mom as opposed to some outside source that probably doesn't have all the facts. Don't worry, she knew when you were born that she'd eventually have these kinds of questions to answer. My daughters are only 1 and 2 and I'm already thinking about it! LoL

    Also, I don't know a whole about web design. I'm pretty sure that you do have to pay for a web domain. I don't know much about that either, but google works wonders if you want to look into it.

    I'm wondering who has been saying they are Team James? People on this site? I've never read that. I agree that it wouldn't make any sense to be Team James, unless that person is just a hater that wanted Bella to die.
  • LizzieMademe
    On the marriage thing, I thought that Edward might think of marriage as a Sacrament, in other words, just in case he has a soul, and of course, in that he is always trying to safeguard Bella's.
  • danielle
    Oh yea, and some people say they are on team james....... WHY WOULD ANYONE BE ON TEAM JAMES!? i mean, he tried to kill bella!!!!! i just really don't understand that. Oh, and other people say they are team james and team edward and im like "WHAT!!!???" it's so weird.
  • danielle
    oh yea, and does anyone know how to make a web site? I would really enjoy making my own twilight web site. but if i did, i dont know how i would spread the word around about it. and do you have o pay to have a web site? please help!
  • danielle
    i feel horrible because i have not even started eclipse yet and i got it two days ago but i have been dreadfully sick. but anyway, what should i do if my mom is like oh i should see the twilight movie but i dont want her to because it would be quite awkward. im only 13 and what if she does not approve of what im reading? but, at least i know that she will not read the books because she does not read. weird like that. but cant you imagine how awkward some of the parts would be?
  • Nirak
    Michelle:
    Always nice to "meet" another fan of James, but there is no way you love him more than I do ;-)
    Seriously, do you really think he is to young for playing Aro? He's getting older too,you know,just like the rest of us, and with some makeup ...
  • Kat
    kaleb why didn't you say anything about the proposal.that was sooo sweet..and was not awkward..!??
    ...
    and that eyebrow moves..SCARY..!
    hurry onto chapter 22 that's the one im waiting for you to write on..!
  • LoL at Maggie! I'm 25, and only have one grandparent still living. I can't for the life of me imagine her being a twi-granny. I don't even think I could convince her to watch the movie!

    Hi again, Danielle! I rather enjoy Eclipse.Aside from the whole love triangle, I think two other very important things happen in the book: Bella's graduation, and x spoiler x. I will tell you that it happens in Chapter 24. Sorry I can't say, but I don't want to ruin it for you or Kaleb. Of course, if you read like me, you may already know the answer... :)

    Nirak, I didn't even think of James Marsters! Shame on me, being that I love him so! Seems too young to me one of the leaders, but I'd love to see him as Garrett. Can you imagine how funny it would be to see him act out BD p 624-625? LoL
  • Kelci Holten
    DAVEY HAVOK HAS TO PLAY ARO.
  • Nirak
    How about James Masters as Aro? (But the poor guy is probebly sick and tired of playing vampire ...)
    I'm 100% with you on your "no charing girlfriend/boyfriend train" but there is one thing I feel verry strongly you hadn't considerated quite enough: Edward left Bella! He told her he didn't love her any more! He disapered! He took on himself to deside what was best for her,and she was broken almost to the part of insanity because of that! Only Jacob kept her sain during those month.
    Sure, she loves Edward, (who doesn't)but I don't think she has forgoten that. Even if she understands why Edward left her she probebly still feels betrayed. It will take a loooong time for her to trust Edward competly again. That's why she subconsciously still needs Jacob in her life. (As a friend.)
  • Lauren
    "maggie"^^^ I see where you're coming from...ALL of my Grandparents are "Twi-Grannies" (yes, thats what they call themselves) and my Grandpas are "Old Twilight Guys".
  • Phoenix
    I pictured someone older for Aro... I dunno how it'd go but I could see Christopher Walken as Aro lol. He looks like he could be a vampire.
  • maggie
    Yes, this really is the most awkward chapter. My grandparents (!) saw me reading the book, and so they've both read the entire series. My grandma comes up to me after finishing Eclipse, and was like "Oh, wow, Mags, that one part in Eclipse, where Bella was trying to be all sexy with Edward... Yeah, that was funny!" and I'm just like: "Oh my God. My grandmother just said the word sexy." Also randomly curious here, do any of you guys have twilight grandparents?
  • Yes, this chapter is nothing on a certain other chapter in this book. I look forward to hearing what you have to say. I also look forward to hearing what you say about the chapter Fire and Ice. It's probably one of the best chapters in the book.
    I've heard that Aro might be played by the Prince Caspian guy, but I don't really see him as Aro. I pictured Aro as much older than that and for some odd reason I always picture Aro, Caius, and Marcus towering over all the rest of the vampires. Like, being just massively tall. I'm not really sure why. And I don't really know who I'd like to play Aro. I have a picture in my head and I can't really see anyone in Hollywood portraying that. I suppose anyone would do for the movie.
  • First of all, Im fine with Jacob. He may be young, so he still has a lot to learn about girls and everything when it comes to relationships... But I agree with the few out there that say thats not an excuse.

    It is just part of one, if you ask me.

    And Dakota Fanning playing Jane? To be truthful, I dont see her as much as a Jane as I see Rob Pat being cute on screen during Twilight. Seriously. (Dont judge me! lol.)

    She doesnt have that much of an 'evil' aura because Im used to her playing the goody-two-shoes in the movies. So, seeing her be kick-a*bleep* character, is a bit of a shocker. Plus, I always saw Jane with black hair. Alec seemed more like a brunnett... XD

    And for someone who can play Aro... I always imagine him as the guy who played Dumbledore in the Harry Potter movies... just a bit younger looking, you know?

    So yeah...
  • Lauren
    Ok, first of all, Kaleb, I would like to thank you. Why? Because you don't act like a stupid teenage boy now that you're reading Eclipse (like all of my other Twilight guy friends who break out in girly giggles everytime "Eclipse" is so much as mumbled while they're in the same room). I'm glad you found a way to just go on ahead and run completely around that subject...and I love the "awkward" picture because it totally describes what I looked like (except I'm a girl) when my mom said "Sooo...about that part in Eclipse."
    Anyway, about the whole Edward/Jacob thing. I think Jacob is annoying. Come on, people. Remember in grade school (or maybe middle school, or high school, or even college) when there would always be that ONE person who was always butting in between you and your friends? And maybe at one point they actually had been your friend (until you got so peeved at them that you got in a fight, and the rest is history). Well I know AN EXACT person like that. Thats why I'm totally Team Edward...plus, why did we all get excited about the series in the first place anyway?
    Now, about the Aro-casting thing. I totally agree with whoever posted that comment about Aro looking like Snape (I think their name was Kristen or something). Only I imagine Aro as a slightly (verrry slightly) uhh...corpulent Snape. Or maybe "Pleasently plump" would be a word for it....and I know its impossible for there to be a chubby vampire... but thats how I picture him.
    I'll be waiting for the next chapter update :)
  • Jessie
    I throughly enjoy reading your opinions on the twilight books. I only became a twilighter a few months ago and know no guys who read(except for my 16 year old nephew). I don't have an opinion on who should play aro or the volturi, except that i heard that dakota fanning was supposed to play jane and although she is a well known actress I do believe that she will do a good job. and unlike most people who seem to need to choose jacob or edward, I choose both. I quite enjoy every single character in the book. I look forward to reading your future posts.
  • gracey
    I've seen a few Johnny Depp's for Aro, but I just don't see it. But i Love Johnny nontheless.
    I do know who would be Aro. maybe Luke Goss. He would be good =]
  • danielle
    Oh yea! my opinion on the actors for the volturi is, that, they should be a bit older. I did not imagine them being very young, especially since one has snow white hair.
  • danielle
    oh ok! thank you for telling me that rachel :D i can't wait to start eclipse! i just bought it, like, 20 minutes ago. so it sounds like it will be good now. Bye bye fellow twilighters!(oh yes, and im wearing a twilight shirt as i post this) hee hee ;)
  • lexi
    I never really put a face to a name with the Volturi. But I would love to see Terence Stamp as Caius.
  • Chelsey
    For some reason I always imagined Aro a bit like Stanley Tucci...only with a less oblong face (more round) and very pale. I also imagined him with fairly effeminate mannerisms. So if Tucci could be sinister enough, I would like him. I never imagined Marcus, Caius, or Aro as young. Needless to say, I don't really pay much attention to descriptions in books. Heck, I imagined Alice with long, thick hair!
  • Rachel
    Eclipse is the love triangle. It is the testing of Edward's and Bella's love against others who would break them apart....

    To me it's perhaps my favorite of the books :D
  • danielle
    i have a question. does anyone else think that eclipse is kind of like the book in the shadows of all the others? Like twilight is the start of everything so its going to be the biggest one, then in new moon edward leaves bella, and in breaking dawn they get married and other stuff that i shall not ruin. what happens in eclipse that is significant?
  • danielle
    oh yes, and i do know who jacob imprints on.
    ;D
  • danielle
    Thank you very much for clearing that up for me michelle! :D
  • (187-188) Danielle, I'm clearly not Kaleb but I'll answer your questions.

    Yes, Kaleb is on the book Eclipse. He posts as he reads.

    In the books, Quileute legend states that imprinting is rare. Jacob knows there's a chance that he'll never imprint on anyone. Like in New Moon, Sam and Leah were high school sweethearts, then Sam met Leah's cousin, Emily. When Sam imprinted on Emily, it changed his love for Leah. It's clear to Jacob that he won't imprint on Bella because it would have already happened. You'll learn more as you read.

    Hope this helps!
  • linnee
    first of all,
    i love the guys "conversation"
    it cracked me up so hard ...my mom asked what i was doing ( suppose to be doing my hmwk)

    i dont really care who plays aro.. i mean i think any guy would be fine..

    i'm still anxiously waiting for them to confirm that dakota fanning IS jane!
  • danielle
    oh yes, and kaleb are you only on eclipse? im a new viewer to this sight so sorry i am so blind to all these details and such.
  • danielle
    well first of all, i just wanted to say how much i love how deep you can get into the meaning of things, yet your a guy. i think that is just so wonderful. i also wanted to say that i reallly dont get the concept of Jacob loving bella if he knows that werewolves get imprinted on people and he knows that bella is not the one the imprints him ( if he even knows that.) i'm very sorry if im wrong i just finished New Moon yet i know a lot about the twilight saga. please clear this up for me if you can. Thanks!
  • Shelby
    My boyfriend is taking a break in between New Moon and Eclipse right now to read The Watchmen (which I bought for him for no good reason other than the fact that he said he wanted to read it.) but he read the first chapter of Eclipse. When he read the epilouge for New Moon, all he had to say about Jacob was... "He's an ass..." which really upset me. I love Jacob. There are a lot of things about my boyfriend that reminds me of Jacob...mainly the extreme confidence they both seem to have a lot of. *rolls eyes*

    I don't see Jacob as a bad person or anything. He's just trying to do what he thinks is best, he just does the wrong things. It isn't his fault that he loves Bella. You can't help who you love. He can try to tear Bella and Edward apart, but he knows- even if its in the back of his mind- that there's a huge possibility that he won't succeed...

    Sorry, I just feel I should stand up for Jacob since he doesn't have that many followers. *pouts for jacob*

    I loved the bedroom scene in this chapter...hehe. Sorry you had to deal with that, Kaleb. But its kind of funny. Bella tries so hard to get what she wants out of Edward...you have to give her a little credit for trying. Sadly, Edward is just to strong and he can easily stop her. lol

    I really don't know who should play Aro. I guess I'll just have to deal with whoever it is... I think Ben Barnes is too cute for the part, but he has a great voice that I could hear for Aro. But I'm not sure if he can play the wise and creepy part of Aro.

    Great post, Kaleb... Although I wish you'd see the good things about Jacob, not just the annoying things... :(
  • Bijou
    Cate Blanchett for Aro???
  • Darci
    David Bowie for Aro!!!
  • Jen
    Aro= Donald Sutherland or Anthony Hopkins, give them darker hair and smooth their wrinkles. Either would be creepy and very debonair!
  • I don't know...
    someone is be handsome and good actor. it's enough for me.
    But A question about Edward is a feeling how us grandfa and grandma
    is so normal for his.
  • Mylles
    Not Ben Barnes! he's to cute for the part of Aro. Aro was unatractive for a vampire! And Ben Barnes is good looking!
  • Jazz
    I like Ben Barnes, but I personally think he's a bit too young for the part of Aro.

    I watched "The Fisher King" with Jeff Bridges in it a couple days ago, and I think he might be a pretty good Aro. If you want a more recent movie, he's Obediah in "Iron Man." I think he could pull off eccentric with a bit of flourish, yet have a malicious undertone.

    What do you think?
  • Tash
    wow someone mentioned Cillian Murphy as Aro... i like that he can do the creepy vibe well.
    However I disagree,strongly, that it should be an older actor. I'm pretty sure the characters are meant to be youngish to mid aged pysically.
    What I would love to see is a middle aged actor who can convey age or a kind of weary-ness(with their body and voice etc)
    This i think would give an accurate depth to the charcters (vampires who are psyically young(ish) but have lived for centuries and aquired 'old' characteristics)
  • Mylles
    Hi, yeah i don't know if anyone will even read this, but i just wnated to say that Sarah W. had a good point when she posted after her first post. and i really don't know how to prove my point anymore... but i do have one more weak sentimnet. bella is mature beyond her years. jacob may have been judged as older in new moon because he is extremeley talented, but Bella's mother said she was born thirty five. if my mom said that to me i'd either think i was really mature or i was really old looking! so i guess that's pretty weak defense but hey i'm just saying that their are a lot of girls who are using Jacob's age as an excuse for his actions and well i decided to give them a taste of their own medicine.
  • WOO!! Yay to 163 and 164!! I've got some people jumping on my Anthony Hopkins boat! Wouldn't it just be so awesome to see him being all fatherly to Dakota Fanning? I think it would be amazing!

    Maggie (168), yeah, Gangsta Edward would really be funny! He would have to start driving the Vanquish, though. I can't imagine Gangta Ed in a Volvo! Hahaha!
  • hakeverevol
    Awkward... is right. I had my guy firends read that book and I told them they might want to skip that chapter in Eclipse. Of course they didn't.... it was a little awkward in the group for a day or two there..... Not nearly as much as with breakingdawn though. *AHEM*

    Anyhoo.... I am looking forward to seeing how much you like JAcob after chapter 23. I liked him a lot untill he kissed Bella earlier on. Then I was mad at him but I got over it. And then that chapter happened.... Well I can't hate him anymore...

    I have no idea who I think should play Aro, maybe we'll get lucky again. A lot of actors in the last movie, like Alice and Carlisle, I had no ideaif they were right or not. Then I saw the movie and it was like "they're perfect!" but I'm not really good at guessing..... so yeah.

    you Rock my Socks!
  • Brianna J.
    I love the closet twilight-guy!!! Ohmigosh, I laughed so hard!! For Aro, I would pick somebody who was tall, skinny and kinda old, maybe fifty-ish. I love your "awkward" pic, moving eyebrows are the best! Great post, Kaleb!
  • Soledad
    i also think the twilight guy, kaleb nation, should have a cameo or a minor role as a vampire in the volturi's guard
  • Soledad
    ed westwick would be a great "evil" vampire.....he could play aro or marcus or caius

    i've also heard rumors about ben barnes playing aro and i have no objections about it
  • Bella Cullen
    I think that the one guy named ----- Grey (one from the X men and lord of the rings) should play aro. I don't know why I just imagine him doing it.
  • I don't have a pick for Aro, but I heard Ben Barnes (Prince Caspian) wants the role, and I think he would be great.

    GOSH KALEB!(<--jk) I know this chapter is awkward for a guy, but you could have mentioned the ring/proposal or something...there's almost nothing about the actual chapter here...
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