Reading Breaking Dawn: Chapter 26 (Shiny) and Chapter 27 (Travel Plans)

Can Someone please tell me where The Additions for Reneesme are going to be.Hello i am an Actress going to drama school I think i would be the perfect Reneesme.GO TEAM EDWARD!!!!!!!!

Yay, you finally made it. Every time you loathed Bella and Jacob's attraction (which I loathed at the time too) I thought of the outcome, they were drawn together because of Reneesme. It would be weird, to have your ex boyfriend end up being your son in law, as long as Edward knows the intention, then it has grown on me.

I think it’s perfectly fine that Jacob imprints on Renesmee. He needs someone and like he said he can’t control it.

Gah! It took me forever to find this comment box....I had to scroll down through 200 other comments to get here..>.<
Anyways, now to get my comment in.
I think/thought it was absolutely gross that Jacob and Reneesme ended up imprinted on. I know it can't be helped, but it's still messed up. I mean like, think of it as if you were Reneesme..every time you kissed him, you'd be kissing your mom's ex-lover. Just the whole concept of it is gross. I think Jacob could have had a different happy ending, one involving someone around his own age. Perhaps he could have met someone totally new that we have never met before and thus given us the chance to fall in love with yet another fantastic character created by Stephenie Meyer.

So yeah, everyone gets their "happy ending", but I don't know that if I were Edward or Bella, I would be to happy with the fact that Jacob had imprinted on my daughter. Sure Edward knows all of Jacob's thoughts and intentions but it just seems like no matter what, Edward can't live a life without Jacob. Edward had to put up with and share Bella with Jacob when they were dating and engaged, and now he has to share his daughter, his life, with Jacob even after all that.

Even if the above paragraph seems rather prejudice towards Jacob, it's not meant to be. If all it took was for Jacob to imprint on someone for him avert his attention (puppy love *snickers*(yes yes, lame pun intended..haha.)) from Bella, then really, how hard would it have been for another girl to come into play. And even if another girl did join the chaos, it's not like Jacob would have been up and excluded from Edward and Bella's family. Bella and Jacob would still have been friends. I think Edward would have even come to accept, and gotten along with Jacob more, knowing (or feeling) that he no longer posed as a threat. I think that would have been a happier ending....True Jacob fans would have been happy for Jacob no matter what, as long as Jacob was happy in the end. Wanting anything other then Jacob's happiness is not being a fan, but rather selfishness (not that I have anything against Jacob fans, I like him myself, I just think that he could have gotten a better happy ending, one not so gross).

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I really don't understand why people find the JakexNessie thing weird or gross. I suppose if you're immature enough to not understand.
Jacob only FELL for Bella in the first place because she was, well, half of Renesmee! He thought he was in love with Bella, but it was just a connection. If Jake would've forgotten Bella, moved away, he would've never found his other half. It all fits! And imprinting doesn't immediately mean you're HEAD over HEELS in LOVE with that person. It means you share a deep connection and bond with them, and you want nothing more to be there for that person. Be what they need you to be.
So, when Renesmee is younger, Jacob is like her protector because that's what she needs. Maybe they'll fall in love once as she stops aging, but that's not what the relationship IS right now.
Why am I the only one who gets that?!

It has never irritated me more than when people didn't understand the imprinting process. Right now he's more like her big brother. He'll be whatever is needed of him. He's not in love with her yet, but he will be when she is ready in every way, when she loves him back. It's that simple and I don't think it's hard to understand. But Bella is perfectly in her right to lunge at him. After all, that is her daughter.

Wow, Kaleb! I leave on vacation and have no internet access for like 3 days and come back to find you have read 2 chapters! This is great!
I, for one, was really bad at Jake for imprinting on Renesmee. My first thought was "Ew!". It was really rude of Jake. And he needs to stop giving Bella all this "it was involuntary" crap. I'm sure he could have stopped himself from doing it!

I've never been a big Jacob fan, but I have to defend him on this point. Imprinting is involuntary and he does not feel the same way about Renesmee that he felt about Bella. In other words, he's more like her protector, an older brother or uncle at this point, and is not attracted to her, which would be disgusting. They already covered this territory when the other wolf pack member imprinted on a toddler. I thought it was a terrific twist. I didn't see it coming because I was not spoiled before I read the book and Bella kept dreaming about a son, not a daughter. This way, when Renesmee grows up (if she grows up), they can be one big happy family: Carlisle & Esme, Rose & Emmett, Alice & Jasper, Edward & Bella and Jake & Renesmee. Otherwise, Jacob would have to be left behind and then what would have been the point of all the drama? The biggest problem I have is w/ the awful nickname they gave her.

I hate Breaking Dawn with all of my being. It's poorly written and it's a terrible ending to a book. Nessie imprinting on Jake made the BOOK EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!


--Donnie

I would have been fine with Jacob imprinting on ANYBODY ELSE. But making Jacob imprint on BELLAS BABY makes it seem like that's the only reason he ever liked her at all. Like he never really loved BELLA he just loved THE UNFERITLIZED FETIUS IN HER. AND THAT IS A TON OF CRAP! When it comes to the Saga I HATE with a BURNING PASSION this particular part and completely ignore it when debating with other Twerds.

Honestly, I think it's alright that Jacob imprinted on Renesmee.... But I'll be honest...I would be a little pissed if I had to share my own daughter that I like JUST met.... :) <3

The idea of Renesmee in general is growing on me. I can remember finding out about her for the first time and being all "WTF?". I had read fanfictions about this kind of thing happening just months before Breaking Dawn was released and I hated those kind (of fanfiction)...I basically avoided them like the plague. I guess in some ways I just really wanted it to be just Edward and Bella to the end. I also hated the fact that such an important character was introduced so close to the end...and I ESPECIALLY hated the fact that alot of the book centered around Nessie (in my opinion). I was looking forward to one on one Edward and Bella interactment and fluff....but what do I get? A baby that is suddenly the center of the universe. (Angry thoughts I had been thinking while reading...again, in my opinion.)

As I said before...she's growing on me. I realize now that it's really good for Edward and Bella to have a child, when so many other vampire couples couldn't.

When it comes to Jake imprinting on Renesmee, however, I still feel quite uncomfortable. I just imagine Nessie hearing about Bella and Jake's previous relationship and I can feel her feeling extremely uncomfortable. "YOU KISSED MY MOTHER?!?!?!?!" Ewww..... :S

Of course, maybe Bella and Jake only felt that pull to each other because inside Bella, very, VERY small, was half of the chromosomes that would eventually be apart of Renesmee...but that seems kind of weird to me...that the romantic part of Bella and Jacob's relationship was just because of genetic material inside Bella...so I think I'm just going to stop talking.

Overall though, I loved Breaking Dawn! ;P

Well, DUH it's alright if he imprinted on her. Renesmee was basically the reason Jacob stuck around Bella for two years. It was faith. Even though I am a Team Edward fan and strongly dislike Jacob, I'm glad that Jake got his happy ending. And glad it was someone in the Cullen family he imprinted on and not some random girl at the beach. So, yeah, it's alright if he imprinted on Bella and Edward's daughter. =]

Is it alright for Jacob to imprint on Renesmee? Yes, as we have seen from Quil & Claire (I think I got the right characters. Sorry don't know the wolves as well as I do the Cullens.) we know that it's not romantice at all & that it's all about making sure she's happy, healthy, and safe. (I'm pretty sure that SM did that on purpose, to help prepare us for BD and Renesmee and Jacob.)

But still almost a year after my first reading, I still haven't really decided if I like the fact that Jacob imprints on Bella AND EDWARD's daughter. It's still really weird to me. I do like the fact that he found his soul mate & that he FINALLY will stop pining for her and their relationship can be what it should have been ALL Along, FRIENDSHIP.

i think that it's pretty okay, because after all, Renesmee is a part of Bella, and he did love Bella, didn't he....? So it's like he was just a kid, addicted to a certain thing, and ended up getting it anyway, but just in a different form....so, this way, he still pretty much got what he wanted, anyway. :) This way everyone's happy!

To me it made sense when Jacob imprinted on Renessme. There was so much foreshadowing of that in any event. I didn't feel weird about it because Jacob explained to Bella in Eclipse what it was like for Quil so I totally understood. Besides once you look at the whole thing behind imprinting.....the male becomes whatever the object of his imprinting needs....either a brother, a friend, a confidant, a lover, whatever it may be and the roles are able to be changed effortlessly....so I wasnt worried about Jacob at all. I was just relieved the love triangle with him, Edward and Bella was finally over.....because it was getting old!

1) a comment on the GLBT issue: I think it would be very interesting to see what would happen if a werewolf imprinted on someone of the same sex. That would open up so many possibilities for storylines and discussions, not to mention the fact that there should be more GLBT characters in mainstream fiction anyways.

2) I think Bella matures from a teenager to an adult in the series. I like that a lot! For me, it is easier to relate to the vampire Bella than to the human teenager Bella, because I am not a teenager anymore. I remember the awkwardness and the shyness and all, but it has passed somewhere between ages 18 and 28. So, for me, the newborn Bella who wonders at her newfound strengh and grace is a powerful role-model, a metaphor for the extreme strong, feminist woman who has found herself, her calling and her soulmate. Adults have marriages and sex and babies and histories with other people. Why can't we all just accept the fact that people grow up and change somewhat on the way?

3) Really too easy? (SPOILER AHEAD KALEB) Nearly dying giving birth, the days in agony of the burning, Jacob divorcing form his pack, being on the brink of war between vampires and werewolves, people running to other continents to find help, everyone fearing for your own life and the end of everything you hold dear, Bella practicing of her newfound skills to the point of exhaustion, everyone thinking Alice abandoned them, the question about Charlie's role? (/SPOILER OVER) Too neat an ending?? I'm going all Greys on this: SERIOUSLY??

An additional comment to my first comment: I meant that it would be AN INTERESTING STORY if A WEREWOLF imprinted on someone of the same sex IN SOME STORY which follows the basic principles of the world Stephanie created. I DID NOT say that Jacob should have been gay, and I could have been clearer about that.

I like Jacob as he is and I think that Stephanie wrote a perfect saga. Just to be on the clear side on this matter.

I think when someone agrees with you, they just shake their head in appreciation and move on. Therefore, I'm going to stand and say that I agree. --SPOILER ALERT --------While I did think that Alice was certain to be back, I really believed with the cryptic message left by her, that Bella was supposed to secure Renesmee's fate because she was going to die. I did think there would be an epic battle in the end in which half of all good and bad characters alike would perish, and I was very anxious as I waited for it all to break lose. The fact that Bella prepared so much and managed to outsmart the battle in the end and finally be the true heroine is the most fantastic ending I can imagine. I think people are so upset because they wanted this huge triumph over the Volturi in which they all die and all Cullens live, but that was never going to happen anyway. Not to mention the fact that she can finally let Edward in to her mind. Isn't that the most amazing part of all? :)

I have to agree with the previous comment on the third topic. Not that a lot of things didn't happen in BD, but the way everything was resolved was just anticlimatic, IMO. Nobody actually thought that Bella was going to die. For one thing, most people felt it was inevitable that she would become a vampire, and ultimately because there was a huge chunk of book left still. And the Charlie thing? In Twilight there was this great aching angst that sucked everyone in regarding EVERYTHING that Bella would have to sacrifice to have a life with Edward. It was SO much about the danger and sacrifice - and yes, there were "dangerous" situations, but not really ever anything that we didn't think Edward or the Cullens could get her out of. So we build up to this scene where she'll have to face Charlie, and he's perfectly accepting and willing to stay uninformed. Anticlimatic. I just felt a little bit like it undermined everything that originally made the series engrossing.

In reply to the third topic here, you can list horrific, trying events until you turn blue in the face and they're meaningless unless said events hold emotional power over their audience. I doubt most people could honestly say they feared for anyone's life in Breaking Dawn as much as they did in the other three books. It was the same kind of drama from the rest of the series, but presented in such a way as to make it dull or predictable (to me, at least). (SPOILER EXAMPLE FOLLOWS NOW!!!!!!) For instance, you cited Alice's "abandonment". Well, I don't know about everybody else, but I didn't buy into that little ruse for a second. I knew there was no way Alice had really left her family behind, it would have been laughably out of character for her. So while I was supposed to be feeling anxiety about the situation, I was kind of left rolling my eyes and wondering vaguely when she'll be back, guessing it would probably be just in time to save the day. Moreover, I have a strong feeling I'm wasn't the only one not taken in by Stephenie's ruse. (END OF SPOILER)

I still insist that things should have been a lot hairier than they were in BD. Exciting as it was, imagine how much better it would have been if Bella DIDN'T have crazy self-control? If she put Charlie, her own father, in danger? What if it really WAS a problem for Bella to be around Renesmee? Or best of all, what if the final battle hadn't turned out to be a huge disappointment?

I had a bigger problem with Clair and Embry then I ever did with Jacob and Reneesmee. I remember thinking, "Of course!" when Jacob imprinted and then I laughed my butt off when Bella attacked Jacob. The interesting thing about Stephanie's writing in these novels is that she sets everything up long time before it happens. Why people act like Breaking Dawn is such a departure from the story line is beyond me. You see the seeds and kernels of it in the other three books.

I think Jacob imprinting on Renesmee is wierd, but not because of the age difference. I mean how can Jacob and Renesmee be wierd if the Cullens aren't? All of the Cullens have wierd age differences and the best example is Edward and Bella. Edward would most likely be dead or really old if he had never gotten the Spanish influenza and Carlisle didn't have to turn him. Yes, he has a gorgeous seventeen year old body but his mind is old. So what I do think is wierd is the relationships conections. Bella loved Edward but still had feelings for Jacob. Jacob loved Bella but had to deal with the fact that she was meant for Edward no matter how hard he tried to win her over. Edward loved Bella but had to deal with the fact that Jacob was dreaming about her naked and she had feelings for Jacob. Then Jacob imprints on Renesmee. Kind of a wierd dynamic.
It would be like this:
Renesmee: tell me about when you imprinted Jacob
Jacob: uhhhh . . .
R: come on tell me!
J: well I was madly in love with your mom-
R: you what! You loved my mom?!?! That is just nasty!

I absolutly loved how Jacob imprinted on Renesmee. It seemed like the perfect thing and it was so unexpected.

As has been explained in previous books, Imprinting is not something that can be controlled. So to make it a judgment call seems totally unfair. Bella's reaction is amusing and completely understandable, but I don't put a lot of stock in using that as evidence of wrong doing on Jacob's part. When imprinting happens, the thing that matters the most to the imprinter is that the imprintee's needs are met and that they are happy. So all Jacob wants is for Renesmee to be happy and safe. He has no romantic interest in her at this point because she IS just a baby. It isn't weird or gross or wrong because Jacob's motives ARE pure. And I'm surprised at you Kaleb! I thought that you would've gotten over your prejudice towards Jacob after being in his head all this time. Oh, and one more thing. I read the book the night it came out so I wasn't spoiled at all, but when that happened at the end of Jacob's book it was completely obvious to me that he'd imprinted on her. So it may not have been the fact that you knew about it already that makes it so obvious. Maybe it's just plainly told. So you COULD have just commented on it then if you wanted : ).....So you give us your reactions to Bella and Jacob's exchange about it, but I'd like to know what your reaction to the first revelation (at the end of Jacob's book) was (even though you'd been spoiled). And I think that his imprinting on Nessie sets everything right. It explains everything.

Honestly, I was like wtf? when I read it. Then it sunk in a bit. I admit when Bella flips out on Jacob I was giddy, I love the J & B relationship and I do feel bad for him a lot when he's just so in love with her and she honestly can't make up her mind... But when that happened I was shocked like Bella. I didn't see it coming, my nana did, but I didn't, so her reaction totally made sense to me. I think now, since reading it and letting it sink in while continuing through the book, it makes sense and I don't really see anything wrong with it. I mean Reneesme does age/grow rapidly and has so much knowledge about everything that... well Jake definitely has his work cut out for him! ^_~ lol.

Although this isn't the topic under discussion for this chapter, I just wanted to post one thought. Kaleb, when you wrote Bella's quote "I noticed that the strange need I’d felt for him before I’d changed was completely gone" & talked about how she no longer had feelings for Jacob, I noticed you didn't mention what I considered the most salient fact around this. Because Renesmee was growing inside of Bella, she & Jake were drawn to each other even more than previously because of the as-yet-undiscovered imprinting bond between R & J. So, when I read "strange need," this explanation is what makes sense to me. To me, J & B felt an increasingly powerful need to be near each other because of R, not so much because of what they had already been feeling for each other. Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

I think I felt exactly how you felt reading this chapter!

Absolutly not. If I were Bella and Edward, I'd pack up Nessie in the dead of night and leave and not tell Jake where we went. She's just a baby and Jake is an immature boy. Keep her away from him!

As you can obviously see by my HUGE number of response posts, this issue really gets to me.
I hope that people who are against Jacob read all the posts, go back and read the imprinting parts of Eclipse and BD, and then think again about Jacob and Reneesme.
It is really not "oogie" one bit, and is really a great thing for Jacob and Reneesme.
Enough said. I need to get off of my soap box!!

Yeah, get off your soap box and get a life, loser. -Name

(I'm just kidding) LOL

NO IT IS NOT OKAY.

it is soo gross! blahh... thats like someone liking my mom but then falling in love with me. EW!! (but not, cuz Renesmee grows fast, but still) Ewww. its still really, really gross cuz Jacob kissed Bella!!!!!!!!!!
I wish Bella would have hurt him. Not killed him, but really hurt him.

First, LOL I think that my favorite line in the book, maybe the series, was "and then I lunged for his throat." Second, I didn't like that Jake imprinted on Renesmee. The whole idea of impriting on a kid just grosses me out, not just in this case. I had the same reaction about it when Quil imprinted on a toddler. And then the fact that it was Bella's baby just made it worse, because it's so weird. How bad will it be for Renesmee? I'm thinking of how it would be having to know that the guy I loved was in love with my mother, and cringing.

There's a lot of controversy with this chapter, as I knew there would be.
One thing that you must keep in mind is that while we all feel like there is no "if" as opposed to "when", they do not feel that way. I agree with those of you that hate the imprinting process because it seems to override destiny. It's the same point as The Soulmate Principle in L.J. Smith's books.
However, I believe there are two reasons we were allowed the glimpse into Jacob's mind through the second book. Bella was in far too much pain to make any coherent sense of most things happening outside herself. Of course, Meyer could have chosen anyone to act in her place through the second book. The reason I believe she chooses Jacob is so that we have a way to see what's happening on the wolf pack's side first hand, so that we don't question Jacob's actions when he stands against the tribe and claims his rightful position as leader. Most importantly, so that we see from his point exactly what happens when he imprints on Renesmee. As most of us have commented, we had already put it together by the end of Chapter 18 even without having been spoilered.
"A new string held me where I was. Not one string, but a million. Not strings, but steel cables. A million steel cables all tying me to one thing- to the very center of the universe.... The gravity of the earth no longer tied me to the place where I stood. It was the baby girl... Renesmee."
I believe this business of imprinting can only be compared to human life as love at first sight. While extremely rare, it is rumored to happen. If just the sight of someone made you feel the things that Jacob feels, would you really want to leave them? Remember, he hated imprinting too, before it happened to him. What we must realize is that he does not see it as his choices being taken away. There are no other options. He is complete with her.
The area where this gets fuzzy is with Renesmee's choice.
KALEB, IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY READING THIS, PLEASE STOP NOW. SPOILERS AHEAD. :)
As we can see into her mind, we have heard from Bella that Renesmee already loves Jake. She dreams of him and thinks of him nearly as much as she does Bella. The true adoration that he shows her is something she is not choosing to ignore. She's as much in love with Jake as he is with her. When she grows up, there could be the possibility that she would want to be with someone else. If that happens, I have no doubt that Jake would not stop her. It is his duty as her imprinter to be whatever she needs. However, as we all know by now that Renesmee will age to maturity at an accelerated rate, and will live (conceivably) forever, why would she bother choosing someone else? We know that she has an affinity for human blood, so the chances she will ever want to date a human male are slim. (Yes, I know Edward was with human Bella, but it was the first time ever known to happen. That equals slim.) By the same token, she has human blood in her that would make being with a vampire equally as rare. Probably more so, because there are far less vegetarian vampires out there. If she wants a life-long relationship, it seems that with a shape shifter is the best way to have it. Jacob can choose to phase forever, thus never aging. Renesmee doesn't hurt him when she bites him, and he heals quickly. Not to mention the fact that the Cullens and Quileutes are forever intertwined now because of the imprinting. While I was creeped by it at first, by the end of the book, it seems a truly remarkable pairing. We just have to remember that while they seem trapped to us, they don't feel that way at all.
For those of you that said this book is way too easy, do you not remember the struggling events in the future? Not to mention, Bella nearly died while trying to carry the baby. While the first part of the book seemed pretty smooth, I don't agree that it stays that way. Maybe not physically as much, but mentally, the last section of this book is a whirl wind.

Excellent thoughts and comments!!

A friend of mine noted that Fate must really be on Jacobs side. No matter what, he was always going to win. If Bella didn't choose Edward and stayed with Jacob instead, Renesmee wouldn't ever exist and he never would have imprinted on anyone else. On the other hand, Bella did choose Edward and because of that Renesmee exists and he gets her. Not matter what, Jacob was always going to end up happy.

Why Are you acting like its Jacob's fault he imprinted on Nessie? HELLO! He HATED her from the moment he found out Bella was pregnant. He went downstairs with every intention of hurting her, and then Kablam! He imprinted. Its not his fault, and now that hes done it nothing can change it. Will everyone get off Jacobs back?

I'm fine with it. After Quil imprinted on Claire I was used to the idea. It doesn't disgust me. But I love Bella's reaction :D finally justice for putting up with Jacob's thoughts for to long.

Hmmm When I first started Twilight I was completely in love with Edward but now that I read it over again... the BellaxEdward pair means little to me it's very repetitive and more boring in this book. I'm more of a team Switzerland now days because I see Edward Bella and Jacob's points clearly: Edward: Nothing can happen to her my life is in my hands physically and I have to protect it. Jacob: This girl I love is leaving me in the dust but why do I keep coming back? Guess she's too much of a draw to me. OH! Renesmee. Bella: *dazed and stupid*. I'm not a Bella fan she's too irresponsible and vulnerable. But I guess if there was no Edward and Bella there wouldn't be these amazing books.

I am a Dad and I read the series so I could determine if it was appropriate for my daughter (BTW…I ended up loving the series and I have read each book 2-3 times + Midnight Sun). Explaining the imprinting thing to my daughter was strange (Quil and Claire made this difficult for me because if I was Claire’s father initially I would have done everything in my power kill Quil). It wasn’t until the scene where Quil and Claire are playing at the beach that I started feeling OK with the concept of an adult (remembering that the werewolves physically mature almost immediately to their adult “state” after they start phasing) imprinting on a child. Quil’s actions and feelings for here are like those I have had for my daughter when she was the same age (and still do). My recollection of imprinting is that things will turn romantic once her feelings move into that direction (so when she is ready for that level of commitment so will be her wolf-mate…but again as a Dad my blood boils thinking of anyone thinking of my daughter this way; however it is going to happen one day whether I like it or not). Imprinting was also explained as a way to ensure that the tribe’s unique bloodline be preserved because of the threat posed by the “cold ones”. I should state at this time that I was never a Team Jacob person. Personally I thought the way he manipulated Bella in Eclipse was beyond disgusting. Forcing himself on her when she was most vulnerable (plus knowing she could not physically escape his grasp)was assault (regardless of what her feeling may have been) and in many ways much more disgusting to me than him imprinting on Nessie (which was involuntary – more on that in a minute). Plus as a guy, I could not understand in New Moon and Eclipse why he kept opening himself up for more pain by pursuing Bella even after it was very clear Edward was her first choice. Sure Bella had feelings for Jacob but any right minded guy would not put the women he loves through what he did. Which brings me (in a long winding way – I needed to state my biases first) to my point on this.

Imprinting appears to be the one involuntary, inescapable side effects of the shape shifting (again it was described as a way to secure the blood line – since the author did not provide any further reasoning we can assume that this simple fact drives the imprinting process). Given this… why does Jacob imprint on Nessie? To what purpose does this help strengthen the bloodline? Starting in New Moon and continuing through Eclipse and Breaking Dawn, the dynamic between the Cullen’s and tribe changes from mortal enemies to reluctant allies. Looking at the endgame, Jacob imprinting on Nessie ensures the “peace” between the tribe and the Cullen’s and allows both parties to unite against their common foe (e.g. most non-“vegetarian” vampires). The safety of the tribe is strengthened by Jacob and Nessie’s bond…which is why I believe it happened. I also believe that Ms. Meyer starting setting this up in New Moon. Once Jacob starting phasing (which really started the night at the movies with Bella and Mike) he seemed to really become more aware to his attachment to Bella (it was almost like his previous burgeoning romantic feelings started to grow as fast and as unruly as he was physically maturing). However as I stated above, his actions towards Bella didn’t always speak of affection, admiration, and love. Once her feelings were known and demonstrated many times(going to Italy, facing down the Volturi, forgiving Edward, agreeing to marry Edward, and wanting to be changed into a Vampire are fairly obvious signs that Bella is picking Edward) Jacob still felt compelled to stay in Bella’s life. I believe the imprinting process for Jacob started the night of the “movie date” (which is when he first started to phase) and steadily manifested itself with his unwillingness to accept Bella’s choice in suitor and his unnatural attachment to being close to pregnant Bella (and all of the tribe drama it caused). Once Jacob started shape shifting Bella was never his future soul mate (maybe before he changed she could have bee, but not afterwards). Nessie was always Jacob’s future once he became a shape shifter. I do believe he loved Bella before he became a shape shifter but after he changed he could not permanently walk away from Bella (which he finally did after Nessie was born) until his “destiny” (I hate the use of that word but it fits) was served.

BTW…I am sorry for the long post but my daughter and I have been discussing this for a while now.

AWESOME theory! I agree with it so much, and it has really gotten me thinking!
I agree that Jake did have feeling for Bella before his transformation, but it DID seem to change afterwards, and that was Reneesme! Love it!

I love your post - that one first. It's a very good theory - and in the following part of my post I'm just going to go ahead and presume you are right.
Second, I have a question. Do you agree with me that it feels kind of wrong that Jacob is forced to be around Bella, causing all the heartbreak, because of a baby who is unborn at that very moment? I don't really know who to blaim - I suppose the imprinting-thing in general, which I'm not fond of.

Now I have something about your theory. If Jacob stayed around Bella, because the imprintingprocess had already happend, than why don't all werewolfs imprint? This may sound like a weird question, let me explain.
It is said, first, that imprinting is quite rare. Later on, though, it is made pretty obvious that imprinting is not all that rare. However, everybody imprints on someone who is kind of in the neighboorhood. The exception is Sam, but he first had a relationship with Leah, which you could explain with the same theory as Jacob-Bella-Renesmee; he fell for her so he would get to meet Emily.
However, if so many werewolfes imprint, I think it is something natural. Something all werewolfes are supposed to do - because let's face it, they're all doing it, one by one. But than why are there so many in the past who have NOT imprinted? After all, there is a reason imprinting is thought of as rare - it must have been rare once. If imprinting is natural, every werewolf should be doing it. But not everybody does it. This leeds to believe that they never met the person they should have imprinted on - so she/he was not really close. But if this gap was filled in the case of Sam/Emily and Jacob/Renesmee, than why not with all the other werewolfes, who did not imprint?

In response to Chris34. I know it has been quite awhile since you have posted your comment on this blog, but what you have said has really resonated with me, and I have wanted to comment on it for some time.
I find your theory about the Bella/Jacob/Renesmee relationship really interesting, and something that makes a lot of sense.

I have heard people say that the imprinting thing is really disgusting, and it would be if you look at it through a HUMAN perspective, but we shouldn't look at it like that, as that is not how the wolves percieve it. For them, it is something totally different, that we as humans have a difficult time truly understanding. I have heard people call Jacob a pedophile or say that "he should die", and that really bothers me. I understand where they are coming from in a way, but in reality they are looking at imprinting totally wrong.

I have also heard the theory that there never was a "Team Jacob" to begin with, that Jacob was only in love with the egg inside of Bella that was going to be Renesmee, or that he imprinted on the half of Renesmee's DNA that was inside of Bella. I could not ever really wrap myself around that concept. It doesn't make complete sense to me.

As you say, Jacob did have strong feelings for Bella before he ever turned into a werewolf. In fact, because he was so happy being with her, it took him longer to phase for the 1st time. I agree that he loved her from the beginning, but you are right, things did seem to intensify so much after he started phasing.

I really like your theory that Jacob could not give up Bella, because he really was not able to give up Renesmee. You are absolutely right. Renesmee was his destiny and he had to be wherever she was, both before and after she was born. Excellent Theory!

I do have one thing I would like you to consider regarding the Bella/Jacob relationship. I understand where you are coming from when you state you are not "Team Jacob" because you feel he forced himself on Bella and manipulated her (Edward manipulates her quite a bit to, for that matter). I understand you are looking at this from a Dad's point of view. And I also can understand that as a guy it bothers you when Jacob continues to open himself up to pain by not letting Bella go easily.
But one thing I have a problem with from many people who don't like Jacob's behavior is that they don't see what his primary reason for not letting Bella go easily. His PRIMARY concern is her life.

Yes, it would have hurt him to let her go, and being a teenage boy in love, that would have been extremely hard for him. But after awhile, part of him was desperately wanting the separation from her, especially in Breaking Dawn. Part of him wanted to start the healing process. He couldn't understand WHY she kept wanting to see him so badly (it was Nessie, of course).
But I think he would have done it a lot faster and easier on both of them, if her life wasn't at stake.

Jacob truly believed that if he gave up on her, her life was forfeit. He believed that he had to fight for her with every ounce of his being, to save her life. He was terrified that if Edward tried to turn her into a vampire, he would lose control and kill her. And if, by some miracle, he didn't kill her, then her soul would be forfeit, which to him and the other wolves was, in a way, worse than death.
Jacob was supernaturally created to be the natural enemy of vampires, and it was only because of the true goodness inside the Cullens that he was ever able to see them differently. This is a great example for young people to see that prejudice takes many different forms, and that if enemies just communicate with each other, they see the humanity in one another and can no longer BE enemies

So, as Stephenie Meyer has said on her website, Jacob's main concern was saving Bella's life/soul, and he did ALL that he could to prevent her from losing that. Once he realized that the Cullens could exist and not be monsters, he was willing and able to give Edward permission to not break the treaty when he turned her.
The romantic situation was extremely important to him personally, but it was only a secondary motivation for him. His first and foremost motivation was to save Bella.

Anyway, I know this was very long, and you might not even ever see it, but I felt like I had to comment on your theory (I like it very much!) and also defend Jacob a little bit, maybe give you a little different perspective on his motivation for doing what he did.
I will be attending the Twicon Convention next week in Dallas. I know one of the Breakout Panel members is going to discuss her theory about Jacob only being in love with Renesmee's DNA. If I get a chance, I will try and offer up your theory as a possible alternative to that. I hope you don't mind! :)

Thank you for reading my very long post, now on to your questions/discussion points.

I believe Jacob is compelled by the imprinting process to be close to Bella during her pregnancy. Part of him very much wants to leave, however he can’t bring himself to sever the relationship. In fact during Bella’s pregnancy his future starts to take shape. He defends Bella against his pack, he leaves the pack to start his own, and he grants the Cullen’s permission to change Bella into a vampire. Leah is the one that causes Bella the most pain by pointing out all of the rotten things she has done to Jacob. I was glad Leah stood up for Jacob because even though I feel Jacob was unable(because of the Imprinting process) or unwilling to sever his relationship with Bella during New Moon and Eclipse, Bella was not strong enough to firmly let Jacob know that Edward was her choice. I thought it was warranted for her to understand the pain that her inability to communicate with Jacob caused.

On the subject of why only some of the wolves imprinted I have two theories that have at least some basis of fact from what Ms. Meyer has written. The first theory is that only the wolves that have a strong enough bloodline will imprint. Some of the wolves may not have a “pure” enough bloodline to cause/warrant imprinting. My other theory (and the one I believe more) is that imprinting is not rare it is just that the other wolves have not met there destined companion yet. Some of the wolves were lucky enough to find their imprint-mates within the tribe; others found them outside the tribe (during family visits and such). One interesting thing to note is that all of the wolves imprint with females that have Native American bloodlines (expect for Jacob with Nessie but I explain my thoughts on that in my original post). When the non-imprinted wolves finally meet the person that will allow their offspring to strengthen the bloodline they will imprint. In my mind this also includes Leah. She is not a genetic “dead end” as she states in Breaking Dawn. Her family has very strong bloodlines. I believe if the Twilight universe did exists she will imprint when she finds the one male that will allow her to conceive superior shape-shifting offspring. Given enough time to pass in the Twilight universe, I would like to think that most of the wolves will imprint as they finally meet their destined mates (or they may just stop phasing long enough for them to revert back to being mortals; in which case they would never imprint).

Thank you for your reaction! The first part I get and I do agree with. On the second half, however, I feel there is still something missing; namely why Jacob and Sam were 'brought' towards their imprints (both of them in an early stage of being a werewolf), while the others who haven't imprinted weren't. Do you think that everybody will imprint eventually (also the ones that have died a long time ago), if not for the fact that werewolves a lot of times stop begin a werewolf and then sort of give up on imprinting? In other words, do you think that if a werewolf waits long enough, he will imprint, that it's just patience?

I do believe that imprinting is something that all of the wolves will/could do if they find their destined-partner. However, you bring up interesting point. Maybe only those wolves that have superior bloodlines (like Jacob who by his birthright should be the Chief of the tribe) with feel the pull of their destined mates to allow their actions to be guided to them. The others may feel some compulsion, but only when their imprint-mates are close by (I include Sam in this because he just happened to see Emily when she was visiting Leah – I do not recall him doing anything special to seek her out).

He didn't, no. You could only say that he fell for Leah because she would lead him to Emily - but since he fell in love with Leah in High School (before becoming a werewolf, I believe) and the entire reservation seems pretty close, I don't really think it makes a difference whether or not Sam did something to seek out Emily. I don't think he did - therefore, he must have been just a lucky boy (except he had to break the heart of someone he held very dear, ofcourse).
This new theory is interesting - and I might just agree. If those with superior bloodline feel the pull that every werewolf feels the strongest and it just degreeses from there on, that would explain both why mainly people high in the tribe have imprinted (Jacob, Sam & Quill), but also way for instance Jared imprinted; it is in his nature to do so, but the pull his weaker and therefore he needed a bit of luck as well to imprint. Jacob, as born leader, would have the strongest pull. No matter which of the 3 old wolves is the father of Sam, it is clear that one out of three is, making him one of the highest as well - his pull is much weaker, but may have drawn him to Emily in a way he didn't even notice - the same goes for Quill & Jared.

I'm quite pleased with this theory, really ^^ This way it somehow makes more sense to me. I still don't líke it, but at least it's rationalized xD

maybe the ones who not imprint are not kwalefied too pas on his genes. In nature a pack of wolfs only the most kwalified alpha and beta male may pas on his genes, as if it is for the strenghten the bloodline you won't only the best genes.

But than why are there so many - at least 4 or 5, forgive me, I'm not sure - in the current pack who imprint? Are they all that strong? I mean, Sam, Jacob (and Quill), I can kind of understand - they are all descendents of leaders or at least of powerfull wolves. But the other one, I think it was Jared, who imprinted on Kim - why him? As far as we know, he's not thát far up the wolf-pack - or am I mistaken? It's been quite a while since I read the books, to be honest.

Well in that theory it is a strong pack and maybe it is necessary to have more offspring than they just too forthe future, like why there is now the biggest pack of wolfs. i don't it is so. only SM knows why ofcourse but in theory it can't be explained that way.

Yeah, I guess so. Thanks for all your replies - it was just a flaw I saw, this way it is kind of solved. Now we'll just have to wait and see whether or not chrisd34 agrees with us on this xD

By the way, I can't believe I'm discussing this while it's 1:31 AM over here. Oh, well, it's vacation I guess xD

sorry i am a bit tyred and i make a lot of faults i see. you understand what i meant.
wel i agree that we have to wait of Chrisd34 will agree on this.

by the way i am dutch too

Yeah! I'm not the only freak who's up this late just randomly posting on Kaleb's blog! Well, now it's just waiting for Chrisd34 ;)

If I were going to postulate an answer as to why Jared imprinted, it would be that he imprinted on Jacob's sister, who is not a wolf, but still carries the very prominent genes through their family line. Since imprinting seems to be a very complicated process capable of securing fates beyond belief, I suppose it could happen that by mating with Jacob's sister, Jared is guaranteed to have a male son who could end up with the same bull headed features of the family, and could perhaps one day stop a huge war from breaking out, much as Jake has done in this book.

Sorry, I was wrong about the name of the boy than. The Jared thing, I agree on that. But there was someone where there was nó drama - the only one. He imprinted on Kim, a girl from his class and I can't remember his bloody name. And searching for it in the books, I don't really feel like doing that right now, at 3.00 AM.

Paul imprinted on Jacob's sister. I forgot about Paul and Jacob's sister...she would have an excellent bloodline (e.g. Jacob's). However having Paul as a brother would suck.

Nope, so sorry, you're right. Jared imprints on Kim, the girl he met at school. Paul is the name of the chip thieving idiot marrying Jacob's sister.
I guess the reason is because she just happened to go to his school, so "finding her" wasn't difficult. Maybe her parents chose to move to the reservation right after they found out they were going to have a baby because imprint fate destined it to be that easy so she and Jared could have a baby that will save the world! LoL

Your comment made me laugh, you know, babybott330 xD And yes, it would suck to have Paul as a brother (in law). Oh well, Jacob survived 3 years of heartbreak, he will manage to survive it XD

I don't have any problems with Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. First off, it's really not something he can control. Okay or not, you can't blame him. Secondly, it reduces all of the stress and tension so much. It really does solve all of the problems.

I love it just cause you know what Edwards reaction is.

Snickering in the background, egging Bella on.

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I dont think its THAT wierd...ok maybe a little, but as long it stays friends till shes like...20, i think we're good. and I dont mean 20 just physically lol.

It was absolutley PERFECT for Jacob to imprint on Renesmee! it explained everything that happened and it made it perfect! The only reason Bella and Jacob loved eachother that way was bcos of Renesmee. Bcos Bellas future was intwined with Renesmees Jacob and Bella felt an echo of the imprintinness that wud happen between Jacob and Renesmee. I completely hated Jacob throughout the saga bcos he wanted Bella to choose him over Edward but in BD once u realise why he was so in love with Bella how can u hate him any more? I know i cant.(ok thats not strictly true i do hate Jacob and i still think hes the worst character in the saga) However have u learned nothing from reading Eclipse? Do u remeber Quil and Claire? That explained it and thats why i thought it was completely PERFECT when Jacob imprinted on Nessie bcos i knew it was nothing sick.
Also i had no idea that Jacob had imprinted on Renesmee until Bella screamed it at him, i thought it was a power she had, like nobody cud help but love her and to protect her sort of thing.

NessieWannabe96--Thanks!! You rock too!!

I'll keep it really short today... :D .... I never had a problem with Jacob imprinting on Renesmee (as I have theorized before) and in all honesty, Stephenie did try to prepare us for it through Quil and Claire.

The confrontation between Bella and Jacob is one of my favorite moments in that book! When Bella snapped at him I was like "YOU GO GIRL! SHOW HIM WHO'S THE BOSS NOW!!!"

I think it was perfectly fine for Jacob to imprint. Now, instead of spending eternity pining away for Bella, his unrequited love, he now has Renesmee that he can care for and protect, just as a big brother, until the time comes. (Hint hint.) ;)

I did not like Jacob imprinting on Nessie. However, I think that Bella was too harsh on Jacob. I understand that she doesn't like what happened, but it's not like Jacob can help it!

Forget whether or not it's okay for Jacob for imprint on a baby--that's hardly the most disturbing thing about this chapter, if you ask me (and for the record, I personally don't find the baby-imprint-thing disturbing at all). What I DO find upsetting is the appallingly anticlimactic way this vein of conflict was resolved. Though everybody appeared to have gotten their way, I found it unsatisfying. Much of what made the Twilight saga great in the first place was Stephenie's delicious angst and dramatic tension; Eclipse was basically nothing BUT dramatic tension and relationships. We've been struggling with the Edward-Bella-Jacob triangle for FOREVER, and it's been agonizingly unsolvable the entire time. I expected somebody to have to suffer big time before everybody could be happy, and instead everything is suddenly rainbows and unicorns as soon as a simple, single fourth element is introduced (Renesmee). That's all it took. After all that hardship, in one paragraph everything is apparently peachy.

Moreover, this is part of a larger trend within Breaking Dawn--the tendency for things to work out way too easily. If the other books were powered by conflict, BD is powered by easy wins. Beginning with Renee's startlingly genial attitude about Bella's wedding and continuing until this chapter, haven't things been just a little too easy? That's not a good thing--though I can understand a desire for everybody to be mostly happy in the end, the conventions of good writing dictate that people should suffer or sacrifice first to achieve their happiness. That's why we find it satisfying and cathartic when the hero wins. BD lacks this, en masse, and I call that an unconscious cop-out on Stephenie's part. In her eagerness to make her characters (and herself) happy, her writing suffers.

I hope this comment doesn't come off as too harsh against Stephenie. I appreciate the difficulty of her position when writing a book as highly-anticipated as BD. I'm a fan just like everybody else, but as a true lover of fiction I can't allow travesties like this to remain uncommented on.

I disagree. Viewing each book individually instead of a piece in the lives of these characters might reveal BD to be "powered by easy wins." However, I view the books as an ongoing story. They didn't suffer?! These characters have had enough torture, unhappiness, tragedy to DESERVE some happiness. I was quite satisfied with BD. I LOVE that Bella is no longer in need of anyone's protection. I LOVE that Bella is a mommy. I LOVE that Edward is a daddy. I LOVE that Jacob is there for their daughter. ( I understood so much of the parent angst that I connected with Bella finally).

The imprinting didn't bother me at all. I thought "He is her perfect playmate, friend, and eventual mate." As parents, you couldn't ask for a better son-in-law.
However, I totally understood Bella being upset. "Is there anyone else who gets first dibs at my kid before me?"
"and then you nickname her after the Loch Ness monster?" lol. That was great!

I'd explain in more details but I do not want to spoil anything for our TwilightGuy (whose website I adore).

I have to disagree. I feel that the main characters suffered tremendously. Especially Jacob.
Yes, everyone ended up happy, but that is the way SM meant for it to end up!
Why does a good story have to mean that someone dies or gets totally destroyed emotionally?
It doesn't.

yes you have made it perfectly clear in your comments to every single post regarding this question that you love and accept everything SM has done or ever will write. we get it.

I am not saying that I "love and accept" everything that SM does. But yes, I do love this Saga and her three main characters. They. Are. Awesome. PERIOD.

I don't understand being so cruel to a character that is a 16 year old teenage boy in a very difficult situation. He does the best he can and is not EVIL.

The main reason all of this happened is because Edward LEFT. Is he evil? No.

Just in case you're not keeping up, Name has made it perfectly clear that he/she hates you, and I assume, me by extension of agreeing with you. We are losers and it is not okay for us to love Stephenie Meyer's writing and characters and we totally need to get lives.
Edward is GOD, Jacob is evil, you are a loser, I am a loser, and Leah pwns all, okay? ;)

You just crack me up, BB! As another Jacob defender said, we shouldn't beat our heads against a wall with people who are narrow minded and can't handle a civil discussion.

Name has every right to her opinion, as long as she states it in a civil way, some people don't know how to do that, though. Too bad...

Well, I'm the first one, but I completely agree with you . Breaking Dawn is full of easy wins - the reason why I like this book the least of the saga. It's just so... 'O, here is all the stuff that has happend in the last 3 books. Here are all the problems - solve them'. And without there being ANY struggle troughout BD, it just all gets solved in some magical way and everybody is happy!
No. It does not work like that! So, yeah, I agree with you - in her strife to make everybody happy, SM made me very unhappy, because it is so obvious that some things are just there for the eternal happy ending that should have been fought for, in stead of just handed over.

I totaly get what ur saying about the whole happy ending rainbows and unicorns etc but that exactly why i LOVE Twilight i love the fact that even tho there is a lot of conflict and heart break everything turns out right. True love conquers alll! ha thats a lil bit cheesy but still true

preach it, sister

I think it would've been a fantastic tragic ending if he did imprint BUT she didn't magically stop aging when she reached peak attractive mating age

I understand what you are saying with the easy wins, but I think that this is solving a lot of the problems that formed in the first three books. (Although the Jacob/Renesmee thing does seem a bit forced at first.)

I feel as though since Breaking Dawn was really supposed to be second book, Stephanie did a lot of foreshadowing in New moon and Eclipse. I feel like it was the only intentional thing she did in the book. Jacob and Neisse are the same as Clair and I believe its Quil not sure on the wolf part. Bella should of know to some part that, that could of happened I thought I was pretty gross and funny all in one.

First of all, I must say that I am Team Edward, but I like Jacob just fine when he's not trying to steal Bella away. Having said that, I like how Jacob imprinted on Renesmee because it keeps Jacob in the story but he's not after Bella. Now they are free to just be best friends again. But, like I said before, I am Team Edward so I feel like I should admit that I started laughing when Bella attacked Jacob at the end of this chapter, because I felt like it was about time that Bella could take on Jacob in a fight. I don't want him to die or anything, I'm not evil, I just think that Bella has a right to be mad and for a newborn vampire that kind of response is totally expected.

Agree. It was pretty funny that Bella attacked Jake as a newborn. I just am glad that it didn't end up bad.

And another thing, it's similar to Harry Potter 6 in a huge way here. Jake ane Bella are friends, like Ron and Harry. Jake imprints on his best friend's daughter, Harry falls in love with his best friend's sister. Both awkward situations, yet they end up being absolutely perfect. Jenesmee and Ginny/Harry are two of my fave book couples (as well as Ron/Hermione, we all knew that was bound to happen =D)

Wow. Sorry if this has already been said, I didn't read all the comments.

The whole imprinting on a baby thing does seem a little wierd to me. But I get that it's not creepy. Jacob is Renesmee's best friend, he'll be loyal and take care of her until one day they fall in love. As a parent I would have totally freaked out just like Bella did, but after I calmed down a little I think it would have been okay with me. Isn't that what every parent wants for their child, they find someone truly devoted to them, who will do anything for them?

Also, I don't think Jacob being with Renesmee is a, if i can't be with bella i'll be with Nessie thing. Jacob thought he was in love with Bella, but he wasn't. More like he was in love with a part of her, and that part became Renesmee.

So to answer the question, I do think it was alright for Jacob to imprint on Renesmee (not that he had a choice). There are a lot of things that could have happened with the saga, but this is how SM set it up from the begining. This is the perfect ending, how everything is supposed to be. Love it or hate it.

I love it! And good comments!!

I was conpletely oblivious that Jacob had imprinted on Renesmee when I was reading it. I know, I had a slow moment. I think it's quiet disgusting! I was like WTH?!?!?! ARE YOU FREAKEN' KIDDING ME JACOB?!?! I mean ewww!!! I love Bella's reaction. I was laughing so hard at her. I was hoping she would really hurt Jacob. Another thing is, as you might have seen people mention, Jacob made out with Bells like twice!! I mean come on!! What are you going to say to Renesmee in the future...I've made out with your mother...can you say awkward? I am so glad that Bella finally doesn't have any romantic feelings for Jacob anymore. This book is just too weird. I enjoyed the other 3, but this one.

No. Ew, ew, ew. That's the right word, Kaleb- icky. At first, it seems really wrong because Jacob not only loved Bella, he kissed her. Ew.

I got used to it though.

I honestly don't understand how people who have read the whole series, and consequently the part about imprinting in Eclipse where it says that IF THE IMPRINTEE IS STILL YOUNG THE BOND IS NOT, NOT, NOT (!!!!) ROMANTIC AT ALL, IT DEVELOPS INTO THAT WHEN THEY'RE OLDER, can be disgusted by this part. Jacob only wants to protect her and be there for her, like a friend. When she gets older, and to Edward's dismay, it will evolve into a romantic relationship, but it's not like that now. It's entirely fine, and it always will be.

I honestly love how Stephenie did it; how Jake loved Bella--or thought he did--all along because inside her was Renesmee, somewhere. Once Nessie came into being, Bella was a friend, as she should be.

And to me, this was a situation that I never would have imagined, but was entirely happy with, more so than all my imagined endings to the story. At first, during Jake's bit in the beginning, I was hoping there was some rule that said werewolves couldn't imprint on each other, and that Leah would be with Jake, because at the time that seemed rational; after that was nixed (and truthfully, I didn't mind) I hoped he'd find that girl when he was driving around. However, I'm so glad it was with Nessie. SHE was the missing link, the link that would allow Jake to stay near Bella and Edward yet feel no lingering feelings and be happy with his own someone. Nessie was the one that we needed all along, and she's truly one of my favorite characters.

What I found funny was that Bella's pregnancy craving wasn't exactly food, it was a person; she needed Jake around because the baby needed him around. It's like how they say, the mom needs chocolate because the baby needs chocolate, in a sense.

Awesome post!

Not the imprinting on the baby-thing bothers me. Really, that's not it.
'When she gets older, and to Edward's dismay, it will evolve into a romantic relationship, but it's not like that now.' Thát bothers me. For two reasons. 1) there is an 'it will' in that sentence, in stead of an 'it may'. Meaning it is already clear that Renesmee and Jacob will fall in love. I háte that, because there is no change & no choice on both sides. Jacob can't choose, Renesmee can't choose because she's so attached to Jacob by that point, there is no way she's turning him down. I hate the 'when' instead of the 'if', if you know what I mean.
2) Jacob and Bella have had a very complicated relationship troughout the books, but it's pretty clear that they love/have loved eachother. And now Jacob imprints (and in the end will fall in love with) Bella's kid. THINK about that. Because seriously, how would you react if you would find out you're boyfriend had loved & kissed your mother - and had tried to make your mother break up with your dad on multiple accounts? Yeah. I wouldn't be to happy, to be honest. Even if it would all be supernatural. I would be freaked out, grossed out and pretty pissed of as well.

Thank you! Finally, someone who gets it! You rock, Alexi!

It's totally okay for Jacob to imprint, because at this stage, it's not a romantic love. Like with Quil and Claire. She is a 2 year old, but he imprinted on her. He related the experience to Jacob like he was her big brother, her protector. The love is very strong, but it's only to be protective and a guardian. A big brother, a father, a best friend. Something more like that. Love changes, because people change. Jacob and Renesmee won't have a romantic bond for a while, which makes sense, because they're both so young, and Renesmee is still a baby who's growing up and doesn't understand yet. It isn't creepy, because there are no wrong feelings here. Imprinting isn't a human thing, therefore it cannot be looked at as we humans would. It something beautiful and timeless, which steps out of the mortal understanding.

Excellent points! We cannot compare imprinting to human love and human relationships. It is something totally different and in a class by itself. It would be like calling a race between Jacob and Edward and Mike fair.
You can't compare apples to oranges to pears.

i like that jacob has someone now, even though its bellas baby. hahaha. it will finally let bella and edward be happy and bella wont have to feel guilty that she didnt pick jake.

i wonder what taylor lautner thought when he read breaking dawn, because his character was fighting for bella, lost her, then is imprinted with her BABY! talk about a roller coaster of a job! :)

Really! Taylor probably freaked out when he read Breaking Dawn at first!
I know he's gonna' be awesome though!

I'm sorry, but although I am very VERY pro-Edward, I have to agree with Jacob on this particular argument. I remember when Jacob explained what happened with Quil. It isn't romantic or creepy at all, it's just love, like a brother, or a parent might love, similar in fact to Bella's. I find it annoying when people go off on how creepy it is (It's okay, I don't blame you :). Also, Bella should in no way get so angry at something that was entirely out of Jacob's control. It would be similar to Jacob getting mad at Bella for being a vampire, now that she already is one. I also think that it really was the perfect solution, AND it explains why Jacob and Bella had such a connection, it was because somewhere in Bella all along was Renesmee, Jacob's soul mate. I discovered that I like pre-werewolf Jacob and post-Bella pregnancy Jacob, that's when he and Bella are just friends and there is no pain and confusion :). Idon't think Bella was completely justified in attacking him, but I can see why she did. Although... the Jacob+Renesmee thing might get a little akward when Renesmee IS old enough for romantic stuff...lol
I apologize for writing so much :)

I agree completely! I wanted to murder Bella in this chapter, I really did. She was being completely ridiculous! How does she get off being angry at Jacob for something completely out of his control? And she's acting like she has an exclusive claim on Renesmee or something…when she really doesn't anymore. The bond that Jake now has to Renesmee is UNBREAKABLE. I think he has as much right to the baby as Bella does! Besides which, Jacob is finally HAPPY now, a feat unto itself after everything Bella did to him, and now that he's finally recovered from her, she'd going to take away his ONE chance to be happy in life! After all the pain she's already caused him, she has to take this away, too! Especially since he doesn't even want to STEAL her baby, he is more than willing to share. I'm sorry, but that would really make Bella a monster, in the truest sense of the word.

I also don't understand why Bella and Edward are so opposed to Jacob imprinting on Renesmee. Honestly, I thought Bella would be thrilled. I was thrilled. Do they not realize how many of their problems this solves? For one thing, now that Jake's imprinted, the wolves can't harm Renesmee, which strengthens their alliance. (that's coming up in the next chapter.) For another, Jacob doesn't have to be in pain anymore over Bella, and Edward doesn't have to be jealous anymore! And yet, Jake can still be a part of her life, as he was always meant to be, and they can both love each other the right way, instead of the way that hurts everyone involved. Isn't that what Bella has always professed to want for Jacob and herself? Not to mention how lucky Renesmee is to have someone like Jacob in her life. He truly only has her best interests at heart. As many have said, imprinting isn't necessarily romantic. Jacob TRULY loves her, and will fill whatever role Nessie needs him to fill in her life. As her needs change, he will change to accommodate them. I mean, how can they not be happy to have someone who cares so deeply for their daughter?

I only forgave Bella for her awful behavior because she didn't mean a lot of what she said, she was just having a vampire over-reaction. Really, she and Edward would BOTH have to be blind to not see the reason in this! Even I thought it was the best possible solution!

Okay, I'm done babbling now. Phew, that felt good to get out.

I've read it 3 times so I know how things turn out and thats why i forgive Bella for attacking Jacob, motherly+vampiric emotions lead to explosive breakdowns sometimes lol.

And it does feel good to get out doesn't it :)

Agree to a lot of what you said.

Thank you, I truly hate it when people don't like the book just because they find it "creepy". Its not creepy at all, and theres a lot more to the book than just this one aspect

I wasn't took shocked about Jacob imprinting on Renesmee...was it the fact that one of his best friends, Quil, had done the same exact thing that made the transition so simple?

I remember cheering as soon as I read that he had imprinted. I literally screamed and my mom shouted, asking me what was wrong with me. At that moment, everything clicked. It explained Bella and Jacob's bond: Jacob loved the part of Bella that had yet to have existed. That little part was coming and Jacob must've felt that and thus he thought he was in love with her.

I have to say, the imprinting cleared up a lot for me. Loved it so much that it was insane. I remember chanting "YAY JAKE'S HAPPY NOW! HE'S HAPPY NOW!". So, I find that nearly the rest of the Cullens' story is a breeze as soon as Jacob and Bella solve the mystery to their bond.

Awesome job, Kaleb. Loved the vampire baby food lol!

I could not agree more! I was so happy for Jake and for everybody else when I realized he had imprinted. I thought Bell and Edward would be happy too, and was shocked when they weren't.

Ok here is why I don't like it. The fact that he imprinted on a baby doesn't bother me at all. That was all explained earlier with Quil and Claire, that initially was a little weird, but once it was explained better I was ok with it. It bothers me because the draw that Jacob and Bella had towards each other definately increased as time has passed in the books. Yes you can call it love/infatuation/obsession whatever. But in Breaking Dawn Bella stared needing him around, Jacob couldn't be away no matter how bad he wanted. I just feel like the draw Jacob had towards Bella wasn't for Bella alone, sure he liked her and in a perfect world maybe something would have worked out with them, but this world isn't perfect obviously. His draw towards Bella wasn't just for her, but for the egg that she carried that would one day become Renesmee. Look at how his obsession with her increased dramatically once he became a wereworlf, and then again even more after Bella became pregnant! It's jsut weird and I feel like it wasn't Bella he loved but the egg she carried. Weird, gross, blech!